Six-car sets
Will there be a six car set allocated to the dublin-rosslare line? like 2x 3 car sets on the sligo line at the moment cos i know the proper six car sets haven't arrived yet. I Think at least one sevice to rosslare should be in a six car format. Really hope this happens.
I presume the new sevice to gorey stating today is only a 3 car set? |
2 car cars, 1 6 car, as the line is somewhat shared with the Sligo service it might become 2 6 car and 1 3 car
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So the Rosslare line will get six-coaches. Do all the stations have platforms to take them. Also is a 6-set 22k set much bigger if bigger than a six-coach a six-coach 2800 set?
WRT to the Sligo line has it converted to 100% 22k operation today? |
The 16.40 train is a 29000 what happened to "operated by the new intercity railcars" If IE can get a commuter train 4 this service then they are not short of trains. The more I think about it they done this on purpose to get passengers onto this service prove me wrong otherwise.. I am so frustrated with IE im sure the other guy is to with his camera. Well no more trains for me..... There was a 3x2 set pulled into platform 4 im sick..
this service never displayed on any of stations along the way |
Anyone notice what is missing? Interesting...
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Smart ****s!! They waited until the service departed to announce Daily commuter service in otherwards they knew what train it was going to be.
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i'm suprised that given the speed restriction that would have applied to that service. ie length of time it takes to get to bray, stuck behind darts etc I would have thought that the best service to run the intercity railcars would have been the 13:05 Connolly Rosslare and not the 16:40.
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http://www.railusers.ie/forum/showpo...53&postcount=7
The internal timetable clearly says it will be a 3 coach railcar |
I'm angry with IE for lying to the public about todays inaugural 16.40 service to Gorey being operated by the 'new intercity railcars' but in a way i'm glad- it makes more sense for them to be used on the 1305 to rosslare as this is a full intercity journey. maybe they've changed their minds and decided to do this and keep the commuter train for the gorey service.
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Nah i have my doubts. I have a feeling that that lone 29k set that has been haunting the sligo intercity line has finally been placed elsewhere .....
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I travelled on the new 16:40 from Pearse this evening. No mention of it to be found on the platform monitors. It arrived 5 late and it was well loaded. I agree with KSW about the advertised 22 being a no show although I am glad that we do indeed have the new 1640 up and running.
I asked the ticket inspector where the new train was and he informed me that not all the Gorey line drivers are trained up on the new trains yet. Why is this taking so long? Ed |
Well the 29k set is still running on the sligo line. It operates the 9:05 ex connolly and the 13:00 return from sligo.
Given the return arrives back in connolly around 16:00 thats probably whats been used on the 16:40 gorey service |
Thats the only reason a 22k is planned for the 16:40, in reality a 29k is suitable for all commuter services
There is no time advantage 22k vs 29k on the Rosslare line with current speed limits |
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Its not the time but its the fact that it was'nt a new train.. |
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1. The Intercity Railcar will be introduced when they get the staffing issue sorted as this trian in effect runs from sligo. 2. I have massive expirance of these trains now. Along with some others (not members of RUI) I say these trains will be in need of a very quick mid life refurbishment. Leaving aside my feelings on their drabness, they are clearly sub standard compaired to the CDE. After a few years of them the only differnece with a 29K will be the location of the doors. 3. Your font is giving me a headache. |
Any news regarding the 22ks on this line? No excuses now, with the new signalling. And when are the six-car sets being delivered???
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Its not possible to put them on the rosslare intercity line given the connections with commuter services. December it looks like. [apart from the 16:40 connolly and return and the 06:00 gorey connolly]
I am not sure the platforms are big enough for six coach sets i personally dont think they [six coach sets] will be going on the rosslare line. I reckon they will build the timetable around three three- coach 22k sets. |
Once training is complete the 16:40 Dublin Gorey will be one of the new 3 car sets
Rosslare will see either 3 car or pairs of 3 cars, but not the full 6 car set with first class |
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Do you know have any of the 6 car sets with first class arrived in Ireland yet.If not when? |
Not all of the platforms are long enough for a six 22000 railcars. I know the far side platform at Enniscorthy just barely fits six 2800s.
However I'm told the 22000s have selective door-opening and so this might not be a huge problem. |
R.E 6 car 22000 first class
When is the first 22000 6car set to be introduced? What will its first class coach be like???
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Any sight of a 22k on the dublin-rosslare line yet? the 6 car sets (with 1st class) won't deployed on the rosslare line.what a pity
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the 1640 is still being operated by commuter carriages - no sign of the new trains 2 months after they were first promised.
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Its been 4 years now since those horrible bright green commuter railcars arrived on the wexford line.they've outstayed their welcome. time for the new 22ks to be introduced NOW. or put some mark 3 trains on this line in the meantime because there must be free sets available with all the 22ks being introduced on every other flippin line
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But Mk3 coaches are not suitable for the Rosslare line, few problems with platforms, locomotives, and accessibility
The new trains are ordered curiously a few weeks after we had a meeting with IE, there are staff training issues due to the ongoing shortage of staff, combined with a delay in the trains arriving means they missed the 2008 timetable. There is a huge change coming in December 2008 current Rosslare timetable is merged with Dublin suburban so you can't use Mk3 coaches Whats killing Rosslare is the horribly slow journey and dodgy frequencies not the trains |
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MK3's on Rosslare no way!!....:D That doesnt happen
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There is a trip to the Wexford Opera each year non stop to Wexford, Mk2 coaches have done it as well
Platforms are too short at many stations, the 22k fleet is supposed to have selective door opening which gets around that. Wexford is the longest platform in the country btw Since the Rosslare line fleet is accessible to current standards, going back to Mk3 coaches would be a very significant step back. The Mk3 is a great coach but unless some serious refurbishment is done you really want to avoid them. They are falling apart at the moment. Air conditioning is joke, the wheels are end of life, doors are giving trouble, push pull systems suspect. Irish Rail are dumping them, we have filed protests but no change. All well and good have a comfortable seat, but when the electrics die you will be pleading for the 28 and 29k fleet 201 class locomotives are banned south of Bray on passenger services. 071 class can't do push pull. At this stage there is no one in Rosslare trained to drive either, and you would need a guard. In the time between now and December there is no feasible alternative, if there was we would be jumping up and down about it. The 2008/9 timetable depends on there been staff to run the extra trains which don't exist |
A few valid points but i get the vibe that your just anti-mark3 and anti-locomotive.
Dosen't have to be a push-pull. 071 plus 5 mk3 carraiges would do nicely. |
Its nothing to do with the trains being used its the rosslare track. Both the mk2s and railcars have had problems on this line.
There has been more problems on locomotive hauled trains than on railcars the whole argument that the train might make things easier is rubbish. The issue regarding trains been used on the line should not be as big ben issue as the time been taken on rail vs road and i am sure people will realise that eventually. There is a rumour going around that clockface timetables are on the way with ten minute peak and fifteen minute off peak on the dart line in next years timetable. If this is true it wont make life easier for the rosslare line. It will longer journeys |
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Why do all Rosslare services stop at DunLaogaire, Pearse & Tara Street were there people complaining about the two city stations and the DunLaoghaire station for boat connections which btw do not connect to the Rosslare trains at all Quote:
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The speed of service can also have a huge effect on it's frequency. I'm not saying double the entire length of the track. However, I would suggest the following. Bray-Greystones could remain single track to cut costs. This stretch takes between 10 and 15 mintues to cover. From Greystones to Arklow/Gorey/Enniscorthy could be double tracked. From here, it would remain single track as far as Rosslare Europort. If this where the case, Gorey could potentially have an hourly service where every second train would be going to and from Rosslare thereby giving it a two hourly frequency similar to Sligo. I'm not sure when the last train would leave. The last stop for all DART services would have to be Bray to give way to the more frequent Commuter and Intercity Trains. It's just a suggestion. What do you think? |
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Im sure if your a user on the line its depends on the driver, I have witnessed Wicklow to Greystones 12mins and Wicklow-Rathdrum 11min and the hilly nature from Rathdrum to Arklow took just 14mins and from Arklow-Gorey 10mins on one occasion so my take would be to add 2mins for the train to get passengers on/off and continue which is enough lets be honest as the drivers dont usually wait for after 40secs... Just the section from Bray to Connolly gets to me every time!!!:mad: Its 13mins Bray to DunLaoghaire from there to Connolly 15mins that 30mins total I know Dart and commuter trains count Rosslare isnt a good service passenger wise but really have you ever wondered why... This line always gets neglected thats now I see it.... |
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