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sublimity 06-05-2008 11:24

Six-car sets
 
Will there be a six car set allocated to the dublin-rosslare line? like 2x 3 car sets on the sligo line at the moment cos i know the proper six car sets haven't arrived yet. I Think at least one sevice to rosslare should be in a six car format. Really hope this happens.

I presume the new sevice to gorey stating today is only a 3 car set?

Mark Gleeson 06-05-2008 11:33

2 car cars, 1 6 car, as the line is somewhat shared with the Sligo service it might become 2 6 car and 1 3 car

KSW 06-05-2008 15:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by sublimity (Post 33019)
Will there be a six car set allocated to the dublin-rosslare line? like 2x 3 car sets on the sligo line at the moment cos i know the proper six car sets haven't arrived yet. I Think at least one sevice to rosslare should be in a six car format. Really hope this happens.

I presume the new sevice to gorey stating today is only a 3 car set?

I just parked my car at connolly and seen a commuter 29000 displaying gorey. If this is the case i am over going to travel on IE again.

ThomasJ 06-05-2008 15:44

So the Rosslare line will get six-coaches. Do all the stations have platforms to take them. Also is a 6-set 22k set much bigger if bigger than a six-coach a six-coach 2800 set?

WRT to the Sligo line has it converted to 100% 22k operation today?

KSW 06-05-2008 15:50

The 16.40 train is a 29000 what happened to "operated by the new intercity railcars" If IE can get a commuter train 4 this service then they are not short of trains. The more I think about it they done this on purpose to get passengers onto this service prove me wrong otherwise.. I am so frustrated with IE im sure the other guy is to with his camera. Well no more trains for me..... There was a 3x2 set pulled into platform 4 im sick..
this service never displayed on any of stations along the way

ThomasJ 06-05-2008 15:54

Anyone notice what is missing? Interesting...

Quote:

New Gorey Commuter Service Starts by Corporate Communications

Tuesday 6th May

A new daily Gorey Commuter Service started today. The extra service will depart Connolly at 16:40hrs, serving Tara Street, Pearse, and all Co Wicklow stations from Bray to Arklow, arriving in Gorey at 18.33hrs.

A return service will operate from Gorey at 19:23hrs, arriving in Dublin at 21.18hrs.

The additional service increases evening commuting options for Co Wicklow and Gorey commuters, with services departing Dublin at 16.40hrs, 17.25hrs and 18.37hrs.

http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/...ew&news_id=369

KSW 06-05-2008 16:14

Smart ****s!! They waited until the service departed to announce Daily commuter service in otherwards they knew what train it was going to be.

ThomasJ 06-05-2008 17:29

i'm suprised that given the speed restriction that would have applied to that service. ie length of time it takes to get to bray, stuck behind darts etc I would have thought that the best service to run the intercity railcars would have been the 13:05 Connolly Rosslare and not the 16:40.

Colm Moore 06-05-2008 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThomasJ (Post 33038)
Anyone notice what is missing? Interesting...

Thats its commuter not intercity?

KSW 06-05-2008 18:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThomasJ (Post 33040)
I would have thought that the best service to run the intercity railcars would have been the 13:05 Connolly Rosslare and not the 16:40.

I dont think we will get the railcars on the 16:40 service I dont believe IE anymore... They avertise the 16:40 as New intercity railcars but when u go to the platform there is a commuter train whats going on with this people....:mad:

ThomasJ 06-05-2008 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Victor (Post 33041)
Thats its commuter not intercity?

There was a distinctive one line in the press release last week that is missing from todays one. Got it yet?

Mark Gleeson 06-05-2008 18:50

http://www.railusers.ie/forum/showpo...53&postcount=7

The internal timetable clearly says it will be a 3 coach railcar

sublimity 06-05-2008 21:53

I'm angry with IE for lying to the public about todays inaugural 16.40 service to Gorey being operated by the 'new intercity railcars' but in a way i'm glad- it makes more sense for them to be used on the 1305 to rosslare as this is a full intercity journey. maybe they've changed their minds and decided to do this and keep the commuter train for the gorey service.

ThomasJ 06-05-2008 22:02

Nah i have my doubts. I have a feeling that that lone 29k set that has been haunting the sligo intercity line has finally been placed elsewhere .....

KSW 06-05-2008 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson (Post 33045)
http://www.railusers.ie/forum/showpo...53&postcount=7

The internal timetable clearly says it will be a 3 coach railcar

Well they made themselfs look bad today.. There was a guy with a camera at connolly then at Gorey Ger Lacey was there to take a picture for the Gorey Guardian but the face on him as with the guy who's in charge of the station was :mad: and me to...

Quote:

Originally Posted by sublimity (Post 33050)
I'm angry with IE for lying to the public about todays inaugural 16.40 service to Gorey being operated by the 'new intercity railcars' but in a way i'm glad- it makes more sense for them to be used on the 1305 to rosslare as this is a full intercity journey. maybe they've changed their minds and decided to do this and keep the commuter train for the gorey service.

Did the Railcars operate the 13:05 Rosslare service?

Edward Ryan 06-05-2008 23:27

I travelled on the new 16:40 from Pearse this evening. No mention of it to be found on the platform monitors. It arrived 5 late and it was well loaded. I agree with KSW about the advertised 22 being a no show although I am glad that we do indeed have the new 1640 up and running.

I asked the ticket inspector where the new train was and he informed me that not all the Gorey line drivers are trained up on the new trains yet. Why is this taking so long?

Ed

ThomasJ 07-05-2008 17:02

Well the 29k set is still running on the sligo line. It operates the 9:05 ex connolly and the 13:00 return from sligo.

Given the return arrives back in connolly around 16:00 thats probably whats been used on the 16:40 gorey service

Mark Gleeson 07-05-2008 17:07

Thats the only reason a 22k is planned for the 16:40, in reality a 29k is suitable for all commuter services

There is no time advantage 22k vs 29k on the Rosslare line with current speed limits

KSW 07-05-2008 18:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson (Post 33070)
Thats the only reason a 22k is planned for the 16:40, in reality a 29k is suitable for all commuter services

There is no time advantage 22k vs 29k on the Rosslare line with current speed limits

I thought all Sligo services where operated by IC Railcars. If the 09:00 ex Connolly is a 22k then the evening Gorey will be a 22k. Well in that case all Sligo services are not IC operated are they and IE are giving its passengers false information........

Its not the time but its the fact that it was'nt a new train..

Thomas J Stamp 14-05-2008 10:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by KSW (Post 33071)
I thought all Sligo services where operated by IC Railcars. If the 09:00 ex Connolly is a 22k then the evening Gorey will be a 22k. Well in that case all Sligo services are not IC operated are they and IE are giving its passengers false information........

Its not the time but its the fact that it was'nt a new train..

A few points arise.

1. The Intercity Railcar will be introduced when they get the staffing issue sorted as this trian in effect runs from sligo.

2. I have massive expirance of these trains now. Along with some others (not members of RUI) I say these trains will be in need of a very quick mid life refurbishment. Leaving aside my feelings on their drabness, they are clearly sub standard compaired to the CDE. After a few years of them the only differnece with a 29K will be the location of the doors.

3. Your font is giving me a headache.

sublimity 27-05-2008 17:57

Any news regarding the 22ks on this line? No excuses now, with the new signalling. And when are the six-car sets being delivered???

ThomasJ 27-05-2008 18:26

Its not possible to put them on the rosslare intercity line given the connections with commuter services. December it looks like. [apart from the 16:40 connolly and return and the 06:00 gorey connolly]

I am not sure the platforms are big enough for six coach sets i personally dont think they [six coach sets] will be going on the rosslare line.

I reckon they will build the timetable around three three- coach 22k sets.

Mark Gleeson 27-05-2008 18:34

Once training is complete the 16:40 Dublin Gorey will be one of the new 3 car sets

Rosslare will see either 3 car or pairs of 3 cars, but not the full 6 car set with first class

sublimity 27-05-2008 19:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson (Post 33587)
Once training is complete the 16:40 Dublin Gorey will be one of the new 3 car sets

Rosslare will see either 3 car or pairs of 3 cars, but not the full 6 car set with first class

Well the least they can do is put a 2x3 car set on the rosslare line for the new timetable. Platforms should be long enough.If they could take a 7 coach mark II set plus the locomotive in the past...

Do you know have any of the 6 car sets with first class arrived in Ireland yet.If not when?

Thomas Ralph 27-05-2008 20:21

Not all of the platforms are long enough for a six 22000 railcars. I know the far side platform at Enniscorthy just barely fits six 2800s.

However I'm told the 22000s have selective door-opening and so this might not be a huge problem.

KSW 06-07-2008 18:24

R.E 6 car 22000 first class
 
When is the first 22000 6car set to be introduced? What will its first class coach be like???

sublimity 08-07-2008 07:34

Any sight of a 22k on the dublin-rosslare line yet? the 6 car sets (with 1st class) won't deployed on the rosslare line.what a pity

shweeney 08-07-2008 15:02

the 1640 is still being operated by commuter carriages - no sign of the new trains 2 months after they were first promised.

sublimity 10-07-2008 23:30

Its been 4 years now since those horrible bright green commuter railcars arrived on the wexford line.they've outstayed their welcome. time for the new 22ks to be introduced NOW. or put some mark 3 trains on this line in the meantime because there must be free sets available with all the 22ks being introduced on every other flippin line

Thomas J Stamp 11-07-2008 11:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by sublimity (Post 34461)
put some mark 3 trains on this line in the meantime because there must be free sets available with all the 22ks being introduced on every other flippin line

funny you should say that since there are some funny movements of mark3 push pulls recently.

Mark Gleeson 11-07-2008 12:03

But Mk3 coaches are not suitable for the Rosslare line, few problems with platforms, locomotives, and accessibility

The new trains are ordered curiously a few weeks after we had a meeting with IE, there are staff training issues due to the ongoing shortage of staff, combined with a delay in the trains arriving means they missed the 2008 timetable. There is a huge change coming in December 2008 current Rosslare timetable is merged with Dublin suburban so you can't use Mk3 coaches

Whats killing Rosslare is the horribly slow journey and dodgy frequencies not the trains

KSW 11-07-2008 20:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson (Post 34478)
But Mk3 coaches are not suitable for the Rosslare line, few problems with platforms, locomotives, and accessibility

The new trains are ordered curiously a few weeks after we had a meeting with IE, there are staff training issues due to the ongoing shortage of staff, combined with a delay in the trains arriving means they missed the 2008 timetable. There is a huge change coming in December 2008 current Rosslare timetable is merged with Dublin suburban so you can't use Mk3 coaches

Whats killing Rosslare is the horribly slow journey and dodgy frequencies not the trains

Quote:

Originally Posted by sublimity (Post 34461)
Its been 4 years now since those horrible bright green commuter railcars arrived on the wexford line.they've outstayed their welcome. time for the new 22ks to be introduced NOW. or put some mark 3 trains on this line in the meantime because there must be free sets available with all the 22ks being introduced on every other flippin line

Its funny you mentioned this as I've just said this to myself today its been four years since the replacement of the mk2 intercity set with the 2700 flippin commuters and I agree they have OUTSTAYED their welcome. Even those 5car mk3 p/p set with the 071 class locomotive but Mark as you've said a number a problems arise with the suburban services. Freqenices are not good enough as I've said this today to a Gorey counselor. I would love to get people to do a survey on what times they would like and problems they want to be looked into.

sublimity 11-07-2008 23:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson (Post 34478)
But Mk3 coaches are not suitable for the Rosslare line, few problems with platforms, locomotives, and accessibility

The new trains are ordered curiously a few weeks after we had a meeting with IE, there are staff training issues due to the ongoing shortage of staff, combined with a delay in the trains arriving means they missed the 2008 timetable. There is a huge change coming in December 2008 current Rosslare timetable is merged with Dublin suburban so you can't use Mk3 coaches

Whats killing Rosslare is the horribly slow journey and dodgy frequencies not the trains

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa7iucvmkqo
What's this?

KSW 11-07-2008 23:27

MK3's on Rosslare no way!!....:D That doesnt happen

Mark Gleeson 12-07-2008 11:11

There is a trip to the Wexford Opera each year non stop to Wexford, Mk2 coaches have done it as well

Platforms are too short at many stations, the 22k fleet is supposed to have selective door opening which gets around that. Wexford is the longest platform in the country btw

Since the Rosslare line fleet is accessible to current standards, going back to Mk3 coaches would be a very significant step back.

The Mk3 is a great coach but unless some serious refurbishment is done you really want to avoid them. They are falling apart at the moment. Air conditioning is joke, the wheels are end of life, doors are giving trouble, push pull systems suspect. Irish Rail are dumping them, we have filed protests but no change. All well and good have a comfortable seat, but when the electrics die you will be pleading for the 28 and 29k fleet

201 class locomotives are banned south of Bray on passenger services. 071 class can't do push pull. At this stage there is no one in Rosslare trained to drive either, and you would need a guard.

In the time between now and December there is no feasible alternative, if there was we would be jumping up and down about it. The 2008/9 timetable depends on there been staff to run the extra trains which don't exist

sublimity 13-07-2008 11:25

A few valid points but i get the vibe that your just anti-mark3 and anti-locomotive.
Dosen't have to be a push-pull. 071 plus 5 mk3 carraiges would do nicely.

ThomasJ 13-07-2008 17:03

Its nothing to do with the trains being used its the rosslare track. Both the mk2s and railcars have had problems on this line.

There has been more problems on locomotive hauled trains than on railcars the whole argument that the train might make things easier is rubbish.

The issue regarding trains been used on the line should not be as big ben issue as the time been taken on rail vs road and i am sure people will realise that eventually. There is a rumour going around that clockface timetables are on the way with ten minute peak and fifteen minute off peak on the dart line in next years timetable. If this is true it wont make life easier for the rosslare line. It will longer journeys

KSW 13-07-2008 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson (Post 34495)
going back to Mk3 coaches would be a very significant step back.

Towards the trains we have now those MK3 trains would be a significant forwards..............

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThomasJ (Post 34506)
If this is true it wont make life easier for the rosslare line. It will longer journeys(DART)

They will have to look at something for all Rosslare/Gorey services the time distance between Bray & Connolly is ridiculous.

Why do all Rosslare services stop at DunLaogaire, Pearse & Tara Street were there people complaining about the two city stations and the DunLaoghaire station for boat connections which btw do not connect to the Rosslare trains at all

Quote:

Originally Posted by sublimity (Post 34504)
A few valid points but i get the vibe that your just anti-mark3 and anti-locomotive.
Dosen't have to be a push-pull. 071 plus 5 mk3 carraiges would do nicely.

:)

paddyb180285 13-07-2008 19:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson (Post 34478)
But Mk3 coaches are not suitable for the Rosslare line, few problems with platforms, locomotives, and accessibility

The new trains are ordered curiously a few weeks after we had a meeting with IE, there are staff training issues due to the ongoing shortage of staff, combined with a delay in the trains arriving means they missed the 2008 timetable. There is a huge change coming in December 2008 current Rosslare timetable is merged with Dublin suburban so you can't use Mk3 coaches

Whats killing Rosslare is the horribly slow journey and dodgy frequencies not the trains

Although the slow nature of the journey is somewhat attributable to the bendy, hilly nature of the line, a major contributing factor is the fact that it is single track between Bray and Rosslare. While passing loops are present at 3 or 4 stations, a train still has to stall until the oncoming train arrives before continuing on. This can increase the journey length substantially. I am pretty sure that between the bends and hills the train could go much faster than it currently does. However, with a single track this cannot be acheived.

The speed of service can also have a huge effect on it's frequency. I'm not saying double the entire length of the track. However, I would suggest the following. Bray-Greystones could remain single track to cut costs. This stretch takes between 10 and 15 mintues to cover. From Greystones to Arklow/Gorey/Enniscorthy could be double tracked. From here, it would remain single track as far as Rosslare Europort. If this where the case, Gorey could potentially have an hourly service where every second train would be going to and from Rosslare thereby giving it a two hourly frequency similar to Sligo. I'm not sure when the last train would leave. The last stop for all DART services would have to be Bray to give way to the more frequent Commuter and Intercity Trains. It's just a suggestion. What do you think?

KSW 13-07-2008 19:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by paddyb180285 (Post 34508)
The speed of service can also have a huge effect on it's frequency. I'm not saying double the entire length of the track. However, I would suggest the following. Bray-Greystones could remain single track to cut costs. This stretch takes between 10 and 15 mintues to cover. From Greystones to Arklow/Gorey/Enniscorthy could be double tracked. From here, it would remain single track as far as Rosslare Europort. If this where the case, Gorey could potentially have an hourly service where every second train would be going to and from Rosslare thereby giving it a two hourly frequency similar to Sligo. I'm not sure when the last train would leave. The last stop for all DART services would have to be Bray to give way to the more frequent Commuter and Intercity Trains. It's just a suggestion. What do you think?

Like it!!:)
Im sure if your a user on the line its depends on the driver, I have witnessed Wicklow to Greystones 12mins and Wicklow-Rathdrum 11min and the hilly nature from Rathdrum to Arklow took just 14mins and from Arklow-Gorey 10mins on one occasion so my take would be to add 2mins for the train to get passengers on/off and continue which is enough lets be honest as the drivers dont usually wait for after 40secs...

Just the section from Bray to Connolly gets to me every time!!!:mad: Its 13mins Bray to DunLaoghaire from there to Connolly 15mins that 30mins total I know Dart and commuter trains count Rosslare isnt a good service passenger wise but really have you ever wondered why... This line always gets neglected thats now I see it....


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