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Galway-Limerick intermediate timetable
Did someone have a timetable for the intermediate stations from Galway-Limerick? I know that Galway, Athenry and Ennis-Limerick are listed publicly.
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Sixmilebridge is listed in the Dublin-Limerick/Ennis timetable
http://www.irishrail.ie/your_journey...erick%2010.pdf |
A day after this thread appears here, a timetable appears on the Irish Rail website...
http://www.irishrail.ie/your_journey...alway%2010.pdf |
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Sorry this may be a silly question but is the journey time on this route not really slow??? |
Of course its slow, but no one listened when everyone was saying that as apparently it was anti west of Ireland.
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I know comparing the WRC and the Midleton line, is possibly like comparing chalk and cheese, due to population density, etc... BUT Midleton's initial service frequency (including arrival times in to Kent station) are one of the factors of its success (others being clockface timetable). For a lot of people, the WRC will be a new service (not having experienced the last train services on the WRC). How can five services a day and this timetable make anyone want to get out of their cars? Commuters need some form of flexibility: Someone commuting from Gort to Limerick everyday decides to take the train - the need to make sure that work/college times are within 08:39 - 18:05, otherwise the train is no use to them - flexitime does not seem to be part of I.E. I am very much pro-rail, unfortunately I.E. does not seem to see the possible potential of this new line. |
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The speeds are unbelievable really.
Aside from the 2 hours to get from Limerick to Galway, I've long thought that to be a success it would need to be part of a Galway-Limerick-Cork or Galway-Limerick-Waterford route. But the best times offered on these routes are 3 3/4 hours and 5 hours respectively. Both also involve 2 changes of train. Between the speed and the lack of connectivity, you could get the impression that someone wants it to fail. |
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IE spent 106m on the line to bring it back to 50mph. This was obviously a compromise figure between spending nothing and spending 200m or more to make sufficient improvements to safely operate at 60-75mph and retrofit those improvements to Ennis-Limerick. It's a political line, as long as it exists on a map the politicians have bought off the West.
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Some of the line can only be described as undulating, whiles earthworks on a large scale can be relatively cheap, potentially one would have been into earthworks on a truly huge scale, involving buyin parts of surrounding fields.
Of course, it would avoid the problem of regular flooding. |
There is what looks like an elevation diagram in this picture (below the track map)
If that is what it looks like it bears out what Victor just said. |
Gort, Ardrahan, Craughwell - Dublin Day Trips
Was just looking at the printed timetable of the Galway - Limerick services and the online journey planner for Athenry - Dublin services.
It also does not seem possible to make proper day trip to the capital with the Galway - Limerick timetable! Note: In total, you are limited to 9 services to Dublin, 7 services to Gort. Earliest train from Gort - Dublin: 07:32* (via Limerick) or 07:33 (via Athenry) Latest train from Gort - Dublin: 15:21 (via Athenry) or 18:41* (via Limerick) Earliest train from Dublin - Gort: 07:00 (via Limerick) or 07:30* (via Athenry) Latest train from Dublin - Gort: 11:30 (via Athenry) or 15:25* (via Limerick) * quicker option Information Gort to Dublin Possibilities:
Dublin to Gort Possibilities:
Sunday Summary
E & O E! After reading this, I have concluded that I have too much time on my hands ! |
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Great excel timetable though! And you should submit the map to I.E. because the actual pixel quality of it is far better than the one on the I.E. website. |
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There is some class of issue with the height and width trust me he has tried to get this sorted for ages but its never just right
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Tried to book online Limerick/Galway on March 31st. When I select train and hit "proceed to reservation" I get the following reply "Your selection cannot be purchased online. You have selected ticket only for all parts of the journey. A P (premier/first class) or S (standard) must be ticked for at least one part of the journey".
Now this service is operated by a railcar so only a ticket can be purchased. They need to do some more maintenance on the website. Also €28.50 each way seems a bit expensive. |
That error is consistent, you cannot buy a ticket online unless there is a least one reservation leg, no trains on the WRC have reservations. Try Rosslare Dublin same situation
The fare is 28.50 is consistent with the default fares matrix for distance zone J (109-121 km) for the distance involved, as in the maximum fare IE are legally allowed charge Going on the regional matrix Limerick Galway day return will be 20 euro, or 23 euro monthly return |
Even at 20Euro, Limerick - Galway by train is very pricey compared to the bus services on the same route. Just take a look at the two operators on the route. Citylink have a Super Advance single ticket and even the twitter specials that Bus Eireann were offering up to the 28th Feb - great value! All specials were/are for outside of peak time services.
Next Tuesday I am going Cork - Galway with Citylink for 1 Euro each way. |
I'm only quoting from the not so public matrix. Irish Rail can bend and twist it all they like but the revenue expectations are based on an assumption that the fares would be the same as the Limerick - Rosslare matrix.
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Thank you Mark for explaining the inner workings of Irish Rail.
Twenty Euro return would be an ok fare. |
What would the fares be does anybody know, or is there a link on irishrail.ie to show me?
SMB-Ennis RTN SMB-Gort RTN Ennis-Galway RTN Ennis-gort RTN SMB-Limk RTN SMB-Galway RTN |
Going on the regional fares matrix, these are the fares. Irish Rail of course are known to invent a new matrix when it suits so don't take these as gospel but they are the only numbers in public drawn from Irish Rail's own fares matrix. What I can tell you it is highly likely there will be no single tickets as is the practice on every other regional route.
As we have yet to get an exact milepost distance on Sixmilebridge it is hard to judge which distances are involved and therefore the zone Galway Craughwell = 18.6 miles 29.9 km zone B Galway Ardrahan = 24.6 miles 39.6km zone C Galway Gort = 31.4 miles 50.2km zone E Galway Ennis = 48.9 miles 78.7 km zone G Galway Sixmilebridge = ?? zone H Galway Limerick = 73.6 miles 118.4 km zone K Limerick Sixmilebridge = ?? zone B Limerick Gort = 42.3 miles 68 km zone F Limerick Ardrahan = 49 miles 78.8 km zone G Limerick Craughwell = 55 miles 88.5 km zone G Limerick Athenry = 60.5 miles 97.3 km zone H Ennis Gort 17.25 miles 27.8 km zone B Ennis Athenry 35.5 miles 57.1 km zone F Ennis Galway 48.6 miles 78.2 km zone G Day returns A 5.00 B 6.50 C 8.00 D 9.00 E 10.00 F 10.50 G 16.80 H 17.40 K 20.00 |
Thanks for the fares.
Can't understand why there is no one way ticket. If I buy a return is it valid for a month and can I use it the same way twice? They were busy painting the newly laid tar in SMB today. I thought it might not be ready but it looks good now. |
Those are day return prices, I will post monthly return prices and monthly season ticket prices later. A return is valid for an outbound journey on the date of issue and return from destination on or before the expiry date, it cannot be used in the same direction twice
Please bear in mind these are best educated guesses we are waiting on IE to release the offical list |
Strictly there is a single ticket, it just costs the same as the return ticket :rolleyes:
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For Limerick Rosslare there is no single ticket code (last page of this pdf http://www.railusers.ie/reports/2008...1_appendix.pdf) unlike some other routes where there is a distinct single and return code but same price.
I'll set to work on monthly return fares (before anyone asks there is no zone I) Month Season Ticket A 84.00 B 123.00 C 133.00 D 177.00 E 193.00 F 244.00 G 259.00 H 270.00 K 360.00 |
Was recently asked about Sixmilebridge fares and was given the below when I asked.
From Sixmilebridge to Limerick Adult Day Return €11 Student Day Return €9.20 5 Day Student Weekly Return €26.50 Monthly Adult Return €123 Monthly Student Return €86 |
Those numbers are very strange, the monthly ones are right but the others don't look right
For instance there is no such thing as a student day return, all student returns are valid for 31 days |
Nor is there a "5 day student weekly return", although that might possibly refer to a scholar ticket.
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The tickets available are Day saver return Monthly saver return Student single/monthly return Adult/Child/Student weekly/monthly Note in some cases due to the strange way Irish Rail handle pricing that a weekly ticket is of no use at all |
Well I rang Irish Rail in Limerick, they spent a few minutes pulling up the document and thats what I got kids. Did anyone actually ring Irish Rail yet and ask them?
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We have asked for details to be made public, though I'd guess the fares are only being finalised this week. The list doesn't match with Irish Rail's family of ticket options.
If the staff in Limerick are asking their ticket machine it is likely to be wrong. If the day return fare Limerick Sixmilebridge is really 11 euro we might was well give up If I was a betting man I'd try the ticket vending machine in Limerick on Saturday morning, it will get a software update on Friday which might reveal the truth Based on IE's numbers its clearly zone B to Sixmilebridge, the maximum approved fares are taking a zone B distance journey elsewhere http://www.railusers.ie/passenger_in... stage1=Submit |
I can confirm it is 20 euro day return Galway Limerick
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11 Euro Lmk-SMB would be strange, seeing as its 11.60 or something day return Lmk-Ennis last time I used it- for half the distance it should be half the price more or less!
The bus is only 6.20 day return. |
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Yeah, but what if BE respond? Do they have the right to increase frequency without asking DoT first?
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