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Originally Posted by Oisin88

I don't live in the area, I live on the quays. I have no bone to pick with Irish Rail, except the bone that has developed from their shortcomings experienced by a daily traveller for the last 8 years. I have no bone to pick with the current government (on public transport policy) and am in fact a fully paid up member of the junior partner. I do, however, sympathise with the residents, and have joined their campaign. They are attempting to ensure that the process is consultative, despite Irish Rails unilateral approach to things.



If either of the above were true, would there be any reason why I couldn't?



Really? And the evidence for this statement is available where? And are IOT delaying this or is the fact that the project team had to hurriedly move the tunnel portal to Inchicore delaying the project? I would challenge you to provide any evidence of delay by residents to the project up to this point.


Read again, and I agree, with the emphasis on the word "properly" but having been a member on here for a few years, I have seen precious little evidence of them doing things properly, and plenty about where they have got it wrong. In fact you even discuss it, in a way, in your own post here


Note the use of the word "probably" here. Reading your post, I note that you also made assumptions about the OTB report. Am I not entitled to make similar assumptions about the IÉ commissioned work? I have experience of seeing work done by other consultants and how they are commissioned.

No, I am not an engineer, but I wasn't aware that a degree in engineering was the only license to have an opinion or to have knowledge about infrastructural projects. I have a number of siblings that are engineers. I note you are one of the blessed ones, however, you could be a chemical engineer (or even a fuel injection engineer)

My emotion was mainly piqued by your predictable broadside against the 700 residents in the works estate (and many more around the area) legitimate concerns with a hastily thrown together plan by a monolithic state organisation. I want to see the interconnector delivered, more than most people. I can't wait to see it and will use the train alot when it comes. But it has to be done properly, not shoddily, and that means probably putting the portal in the place where it has the least impact on residents. Looking at the plans, that probably means a few hundred yards west of where currently planned, in the middle of a largely abandoned railway works (much of the work has been moved out of here) as stated in the OTB report. In any event, due to the nature of the rock interfaces underneath, this option might even be cheaper.

In fact, I also think that the location of a station in the works is also not optimal. Something closer to either Ballyfermot Village or to Inchicore Village would have better patronage, and would allow for better linkage with other modes such as buses etc. But that's another story.

Oh, and I had granola (non-organic) from the Dublin food co-op, a banana, and a latte for breakfast. Now are you happy?

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Oisin,

The second post on this thread (pre merging) asked for posters opinions on the project. I gave mine. Clearly yours is different to mine. I would ask you to respect my opinion and agree to differ rather than childishly attacking it (and me).

With respect to the part of your response highlighted in bold above, My experience of such reports prepared by consultants is such that the reports always always come out in favour of the commissioners i.e. Those who pay for the report. In the past most consultants worth their salt wouldnt touch such a residents group with a ten foot barge pole mainly because doing so would tarnish their reputation. My experience is such that, the views of such consultants reports can and have been warped and misquoted by the residents group to fit their own messages and aims. Maybe it is a sign of the recessionary times that consultancies are happy to take on this work.

I would appreciate a mature and reasoned debate on this Oisin but until you can grow up and post without sarcasm I dont think that will happen.