22-10-2013, 18:37 | #1 |
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Interesting reading - there is something very wrong here. This is incredible that it took 4 years for a private company to get a licence to operate a feeder/shuttle service around Malahide to meet up with the DART.
http://www.malahideshuttle.ie/licence-situation.html Why is it so difficult to set something like this up when it is an utterly normal arrangement in every other country that has a rail service? You extend the reach and potential customer base of the rail service by running feeder services. The fact that this is expected to stand on its own two feet doesn't bode well for its sustainability. They have had a grant from Irish Rail, but Irish Rail should be subsidising any passengers it delivers to them on an ongoing basis. It might be a while before we get a feeder bus in Edgeworthstown. |
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I cannot see this lasting for any length of time unless it has through ticketing (bus/rail tickets are already available for the aforementioned routes). Without that people are not going to pay twice. |
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http://www.irishrail.ie/cat_news.jsp?i=4936&p=116&n=237
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As a feeder service, it can only be viable if you can buy it as an add-on to the train fare for a euro or less. I agree that €1.50 is too much. But surely Irish Rail could work with Malahide Coaches to split the discount on the grounds that it will be bring them more business.
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Irish Rail already offer through ticketing on the 102 bus on the same route and have done for nearly 30 years.
Its time the NTA enforced a must accept leap requirement on all new licences
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They need a system where private operators have to accept passes in an area more than a requirement to accept LEAP.
LEAP still imposes a second charge, but if you have a Taxsaver that allows bus travel in an area, the operator should not matter. |
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Connolly-Seabury is the same price as Connolly-Malahide, so the 102 provides this service for 'free'.
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I understood the railway originally subsidised the feeder bus operations - the 102 is one of the few survivors of the original network. How does the 102 work - is revenue shared in some way ?
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There were separate fare charts for the DART feeder services (I haven't seen them for a while now) - the 90, 102, 111 and 114 are the remaining routes. But basically you can buy a single ticket on the bus or at a station for a combined bus/rail journey. You can also of course use the bus/rail period passes. Quote:
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I should have added - 102 users can also get the monthly or annual Short Hop Rail and Feeder Bus ticket.
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It may be that it is distance related, with Connolly-Malahide and Connolly-Seabury falling into the same band - a shorter train journey and a longer bus journey might have a different result.
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Also AFAIK, DSP are no longer accepting applications for new routes because they had to cut their budget. |
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Changes to timetable and fares:
Towards the end of last month changes to the timetable and fares were made:
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A further update:
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I don't want to be unduly negative, but I can't see this service lasting. |
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Route 842 (Malahide Shuttle) suspended
Unfortunately the shuttle service has been temporarily suspended.
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As a personal view I feel a very strong and commendable effort has been made by all involved. |
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Commendable???
This service was doomed from the start - there was an existing bus service (32, 42 and 102) covering virtually the entire route, there was no integrated ticketing and a limited service. The planners could have learnt a lot from the operators of the Locolink service in South Dublin (it linked Stillorgan with Balally LUAS and Ballinteer) which suffered the same fate. It was a flight of fancy by some people who had preconceived ideas that had no basis in reality. |
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Agreed it was doomed from the start.
Numerous existing services in the area, some with integrated ticketing, 102 and all others accepting leap card and free travel pass it was never going to work out. One wonders at how someone signed off on the business plan for this. Sad reality is this failure is going to make life even more difficult to get potentially viable services off the ground elsewhere. Newbridge would be high on my list as somewhere a feeder bus could work well.
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When I said a commendable effort has been made I meant that a fair amount of effort and research seems to have gone into it by the promoters of it (have no connection with them or with the project itself).
That the service didn't work out is down to bigger issues e.g. the integrated ticketing. The theme of bus services not working out because of macro issues/failings is unfortunately a recurring one. In recent years I've seen several bus services not work out not because of any failing/deficit on the operator/promoters part but because of various issues/failings at a higher level. This is not a random comment but one I can back up with examples/proofs to the Principals of this organisation if needs be. |
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Further evidence that these guys really got their sums wrong. Only 6 users per day.
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