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Unread 03-01-2013, 10:26   #101
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From irishrail.ie:

02 January 2013

Online bookings from 20th January 2013 onwards are currently unavailable.

A new rail timetable is scheduled to be introduced on this date, and is currently being finalised subject to the approval of the National Transport Authority.

We hope to have the new timetable available as soon as possible to enable bookings to be made. Iarnród Éireann apologises for any inconvenience caused.
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Unread 03-01-2013, 10:56   #102
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02 January 2013

Online bookings from 20th January 2013 onwards are currently unavailable.

A new rail timetable is scheduled to be introduced on this date, and is currently being finalised subject to the approval of the National Transport Authority.

We hope to have the new timetable available as soon as possible to enable bookings to be made. Iarnród Éireann apologises for any inconvenience caused.
nothing short of scandalous
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Unread 08-01-2013, 19:03   #103
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New timetable loaded from 20 Jan, not bookable yet but they have added no changes I suggested, has anyone had there implemented.
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Unread 08-01-2013, 21:09   #104
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Only change I have seen is the 17:20 Mon-Fri Heuston - Newbridge now runs to Portlaoise

You can't see it because its faster leave Heuston on a train after it and connect down the line somewhere as the 17:25, 17:30 and 17:35 all overtake it
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Unread 08-01-2013, 22:02   #105
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scandalous failure to respond to demand/changes

as an example I emailed IR about moving the 06.00 Cobh-Cork (no one uses it at present) to 06.30 (arr Cork 06.54) to connect with the new 07.00 Cork-Heuston. nothing !

The figures will show that there was always passengers getting the 07.00 Cobh-Cork and connecting with the old 07.30 Cork-Heuston.

Now we have to get up for a 06.00 train and wait 35 mins in Cork or drive in at 6.30 despite having a yearly ticket

Disgraceful
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Unread 08-01-2013, 22:25   #106
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Have just spotted two minor items as follows:

* 20.10 (draft & current actual) Heuston-Carlow (Mon-Fri commuter) deferred to 20.15.
* 19.05 (draft) Ballybrophy - Limerick via Nenagh (Mon-Sat) advanced to 19.00.

Annoyed by the new timetable on several fronts but don't wish to comment further - it's at least good that other posters also feel similarly let down/disappointed.
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Unread 08-01-2013, 23:06   #107
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Another change in the 1930 Heuston-Portlaoise in the draft is deferred to 1945 leaving a long gap between 1835 and 1945 for Kildare and Monasterevin (1855 only goes to Newbridge). Current timetable has 1840, 1915,1940.

Otherwise new timetable is a significant improvement for Kildare with more and faster peak services. No more the dawdling 1725 taking 41min or the 0600 from Waterford pausing at Parkwest - both held by local services.
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Unread 08-01-2013, 23:08   #108
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As far as I can see once the draft was taken down it was just sent to the NTA and very few suggestions looked at I can't see anyone looking for the 17.20 to be extended to Portlaoise, would say its down to driver based there or for scheduled maintance/clean etc. The timetable went straight to the NTA and with Christmas hoildays it delayed the process and thats why its only today that it went up. Its a discrase that 20 Jan for a start date was decided when IE know full well it would cause problems. If the draft was issued in mid November as stated by them to me twice then a 20 Jan start date would be fine.

Just two changes I sent in:
18.25 Waterford-Hueston arrive Kilkenny 19.00 depart 19.02.
17.35 Heuston-Waterford arrive Kilkenny 19.05 depart 19.10.
I told them to change the 19.02 to 19.06 but no they couldn't even manage that even though the schedule is timetabled for a 19.06 departure.

18.05 Waterford-Heuston arrives 20.20. Takes 2h15m for the train when all the other trains up take 2h10m. They decided to allow 30 minutes for a 20 (3 other services) between Newbridge-Heuston. Just why do this when they know full well that the current 18.05 service arrives in at 20.20 when it departes Newbridge at 19.59 every week and the new timetable has a departure at 19.52. Just what sort of plebs are putting the schedule together?

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Unread 09-01-2013, 00:23   #109
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Realistically the consultation should have started start October,November would be final changes 2 weeks, then 2 weeks for NTA sign off, then six weeks notice to public, simple and logical but sadly that isn't what goes on in Irish Rail
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Unread 09-01-2013, 20:50   #110
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Default Looking beyond the new timetable. Next steps...

Now that the new timetable, with its good and bad points, is finalised it may be interesting to discuss realistic and attainable further steps that may be a possibility for 2014.

From previous discussions a few issues, in my view, need to be looked at. Among them:

* Speed limit increases on sections of other lines: the scope (or lack thereof) for the speed limit on some sections on other lines to be raised (e.g. the Rosslare line).

* Additional station potential ? If there are one or two provincial locations where there may be scope to provide a low cost station and tap new business. A better way to look at this may be if there was to be a list of five locations that might see a station within the next two decades where they might be.

* Feeder buses: The scope for feeder buses in certain provincial locations to provide a seamless and integrated service (e.g. there was a plan for a rail feeder bus from Fermoy/Mitchelstown to Mallow - http://www.buseireann.ie/news.php?id=538&month=May. Similarly Drogheda station is a long walk from West Street yet there is no bus.
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Unread 10-01-2013, 12:52   #111
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surely it is pertinent to ask the following questions of Irish Rail

1. How many submissions were received on foot of the draft timetable

2. How many changes were made as a direct result of a submission(s)

3. What was the purpose of the consultation period if the submissions were ignored ?
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Unread 10-01-2013, 14:20   #112
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Timetable is now bookable.

Just having a scan through and it could be a mistake but the 18.35 to Waterfod has bieng dropped to a 3 car set as has the 07.10 up. Not I can understand the 07.10 up but not the 18.35 down. Just where are the economics to drop a busy service and keep a 6 car set on the 18.20 up service thas empty?

They have very high hopes for Galway services by going from a 3 to 6 car set on the 19.35 service.

It also looks like ICR will remain on the 09.20, 16.20 from Cork and 13.00, 21.00 down as well as the 09.00. The 08.00 now showing as a Mark4 everyday.

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Unread 10-01-2013, 14:44   #113
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Timetable is now bookable.

Just having a scan through and it could be a mistake but the 18.35 to Waterfod has bieng dropped to a 3 car set as has the 07.10 up. Not I can understand the 07.10 up but not the 18.35 down. Just where are the economics to drop a busy service and keep a 6 car set on the 18.20 up service thas empty?

They have very high hopes for Galway services by going from a 3 to 6 car set on the 19.35 service.

It also looks like ICR will remain on the 09.20, 16.20 from Cork and 13.00, 21.00 down as well as the 09.00. The 08.00 now showing as a Mark4 everyday.
Where does it say that a service will be a 3-car?
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Unread 10-01-2013, 14:45   #114
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Go as far as selecting seats and it shows 3 carrages. It only shows 3 when its a 3 and 6 when its a 6 and 5 if its a first class set.
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Unread 10-01-2013, 14:47   #115
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The display online is NO indication of the train length

For operational reasons the website will always show the seating layout of a non first class service as if it is a 3 coach train.

This avoids non existant seats where a 2*3 is used instead of 6
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Unread 10-01-2013, 14:51   #116
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The display online is NO indication of the train length

For operational reasons the website will always show the seating layout of a non first class service as if it is a 3 coach train.

This avoids non existant seats where a 2*3 is used instead of 6
If you look at the 16.35 and 17.35 services they have 2*3 on show when means it will be joined, I don't see why they would leave out the 18.35 and 07.10 up in the mornings to add at a lather date. There will be changes of course but seems strange to leave it out now.

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Unread 10-01-2013, 16:29   #117
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I asked IR on twitter and they couldn't give an anser but said they will look into it further.

One other change is the 05.55 connection from Tralee to Heuston will depart at 04.55 on Monday only to allow an arrival in Heuston 08.30 and not 09.30 as with other days.
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Unread 10-01-2013, 20:09   #118
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The default length of non first class service is 3

That has to be overridden in the timetable
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Unread 10-01-2013, 22:35   #119
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Jacko (#111 above) complained about the bad connection form Cobh into the new 0700 from Cork to Dublin. Well I just noticed that for nearly all Cobh-Dublin connections the Cobh train arrives at 24 mins past the hour and the Dublin train leaves at 20 mins past: so there are over a dozen instances of totally lousy connections at Cork.

I suppose the excuse will be "ah sure there is no demand for it". I'm not surprised, given the waiting time.
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Unread 10-01-2013, 23:12   #120
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You can't win as Midelton trains connect well
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