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Unread 10-02-2016, 12:42   #1
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We are waiting to hear back from them that their election proposals are the same as is here https://greenparty.ie/wp-content/upl...olicy-2015.pdf because thats where their election 2016 link leads one to.

at least they have a document which is more than the other parties, even if its from 2013, and there is almost 4 pages devoted to rail transport within.
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When I wrote to a prominent member of the abovementioned party in 2010 regarding the then upcoming proposal to suspend Rosslare-Waterford services I didn't have the courtesy of a reply.

I am aware I'm far from being alone in viewing this party in a totally different light as a direct result of their apparent massive disinterest in South Wexford and its wider context/potential.

People remember the times when others couldn't give a toss.


Aside: thanks to Thomas for creating this section

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ciaran cuffe got back to us

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Our transport policy is largely unchanged from 2013.

We did however publish a 12 point plan for Dublin transport today.

A key issue is diverting significant capital funding from road to public transport including rail.
the 12 point plan for dublin transport is here

https://greenparty.ie/news/greens-la...ffic-gridlock/

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“The Green Party are proposing to invest massively in bus, cycling and walking infrastructure to solve this problem. This is desperately needed, since extension of rail capacity, like the DART Underground and Metro North, has been postponed for a decade by the current Government.
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We need to invest immediately in the bus, cycling and pedestrian network while we start planning for the Metro, Dart Interconnector and additional Luas lines.
so not massive stuff, but therein lies a commitment to DART underground anyway. (although metro and luas thrown in too as well as BRT elsewhere)
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Does anybody know what precisely a Metro is in the context of Dublin and why is it regarded as somehow different to other modes.

In the boom, it seemed to mean heavy rail running on continental gauge but now it seems to be a slightly sexed-up partially underground tram that presumable won't interoperate with anything else in the city.

Why do we persist in adding modes and artificial disconnects to what is really a very sparse public transport network rather than trying to integrate it properly?

I think a core part of any of the public transport plans should be proper fare and timetable integration between different transport modes. There seems to be a move on towards this with multi-mode capping but at the rate they are going it will be years before that is sorted.

Is there any valid reason why we can't move to a system where you just purchase transport between point A and point B and how you get there is your own business. Fine, if you want to treat railways as a "first-class" option and charge a bit extra for it, but if you've paid for the more expensive option, it is in CIE's favour if you choose the cheaper option.

For me, there is a great Bus Eireann service that provides a morning bus that gets me to the airport in time for nearly any flight and a great evening service that allows me the possibility of staying in Dublin until 11PM. The problem is that it doesn't stop at my station, where I can pick up my car and I need pay for a ticket on it. I have considered buying the All services ticket, but that is too much extra for a service that I'd use a dozen times a year but would still be a big attraction to have on my ticket. The result is that I generally avoid the bus and take up a more expensive seat on the last train.
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A metro in the contact of Dublin is whatever is the cheapest option that they can come up with. This isnt new. When the 39 bus became the first city swift service it was stocked with brand new buses, brand new bus shelters and a rudimentary form of PIS - the busses were even supposed to have a traffic light priority thing built in.

By the time the number 13 bus was branded city swift all it consisted of was painting the oldest buses in Summerhill garage in the livery, all the other bells and whistles having been dropped. soon after they were all painted fleet green and the concept was abolished.

Same with Metro. This time around Metro isn't defined, RUI can recall three different versions of "metro" going back to the P11 times. Since it'll never be built it may as well be made from gold plated trains driven by quasi-dimensional superbeings with some time on their hands.
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Metro for Dublin is basically a dedicated alignment with no conflicts from other traffic.

Its a low floor tram like train, but longer, still legal for on street use if required , e.g. at the very extremes of the route

So its kind of like the German Stadtbahn model of a dedicated core route with bits on the end. Try Dusseldorf, the underground section is full metro, with automatic train driving, the bits at the end are Luas like
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Does anybody know what precisely a Metro is in the context of Dublin and why is it regarded as somehow different to other modes.
"Metro" is a specific designation in legislation, parallel to "light rail". However, it is undefined and so has little legal or practical meaning.
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"Metro" is a specific designation in legislation, parallel to "light rail". However, it is undefined and so has little legal or practical meaning.
That's pretty much what I thought. Basically it's a buzz word that Politicians and throw about without actually committing to anything.
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