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Unread 25-02-2014, 20:38   #1
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Default Commuter Livery Needs A Change

Anyone else think the commuter livery should change?

10 plus years in the green, white and blue.

Needs a different colour to distinguish it from the DART in my opinion.

Time for a change!
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Unread 25-02-2014, 20:50   #2
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There is a new livery planned once the overhaul is complete. A mk3 coach was painted in Inchicore with the new livery as a test. Solid green colour with white doors. http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/atta...6&d=1392212411
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Unread 25-02-2014, 20:57   #3
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I really like the commuter colours, love the green. The Dart's are horrible while the 22's are nice but not a fan of the shade of green on them.

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There is a new livery planned once the overhaul is complete. A mk3 coach was painted in Inchicore with the new livery as a test. Solid green colour with white doors. http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/atta...6&d=1392212411
Not a fan of the colour green used to dark.
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Unread 26-02-2014, 08:58   #4
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I would much prefer them to spend the money on extra carriages and more spacious or comfortable seating. They could be pink with yellow and green spots on them for all I care about the colour.
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Unread 26-02-2014, 10:29   #5
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There is a new livery planned once the overhaul is complete. A mk3 coach was painted in Inchicore with the new livery as a test. Solid green colour with white doors. http://irishrailwaymodeller.com/atta...6&d=1392212411
Let's turn more people away from rail travel...
Brutal looking.
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Unread 26-02-2014, 13:38   #6
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It looks hideous but I suppose it goes with the equally hideous new logo. Fiddling while Rome burns. Bus Eireann have had the same branding from the start and they changed the livery once very shortly after they were set up.
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It'll match the hideous new levels of service we are experiencing.
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The new colour livery is horrid, if this colour will be introduced I can't imagine this at all. The interior of the seating is blue with bright white everywhere and the exterior will be Green/White doors it will look terrible. The old Iarnrod Eireann arrow sign was better. I was joking with a friend today about this colour livery, it wouldn't surprise me if they did go ahead with the green an white doors and probably an orange border along the windows that will give it the Irish flag/Irish rails new Logo Green White and Orange
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The new colour livery is horrid, if this colour will be introduced I can't imagine this at all. The interior of the seating is blue with bright white everywhere and the exterior will be Green/White doors it will look terrible.
The seats have already been changed to a more green colour to match.

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Unread 26-02-2014, 22:32   #10
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From a purely technical point of view that livery would not be allowed in public service on an electrified route, that said none of IE's current liveries bar the ICR comply

There is a EU legal requirement for the doors to be a different colour to the rest of the carriage so that explains the doors

The 29k fleet is 10 years in service and due a paint, if that was the case they would be trying this out on a stored 2700 unit

They tried out some strange liveries on the MK3 intl coach too

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From a purely technical point of view that livery would not be allowed in public service on an electrified route, that said none of IE's current liveries bar the ICR comply

There is a EU legal requirement for the doors to be a different colour to the rest of the carriage so that explains the doors

The 29k fleet is 10 years in service and due a paint, if that was the case they would be trying this out on a stored 2700 unit

They tried out some strange liveries on the MK3 intl coach too
Rather than just posting half-statements like this, it would help the rest of us understand if you would explain why?

Why is it and no other livery compliant?
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Unread 27-02-2014, 00:21   #12
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Just a thought... how many jobs, even temporary year-long contracts could be created with the hundreds of thousands of euro that livery changes cost? Could these jobs yield more in the way of bettering the customer experience and bringing in money than a livery? More than likely yes if focusing on the right things. And how many millions has the state imparted with over the years for various rebrandings that at the end of the day matter little to everyday customers/clients if there is insufficient change for the better in the organisations.

Not singling IÉ out here or wishing to detract from the foregoing informed debate about liveries but just making a general observation and putting perspective on its relative unimportance given the much more serious issues of our times.

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Unread 27-02-2014, 00:26   #13
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The seats have already been changed to a more green colour to match.

Thank you I've seen these seats when the train was passing a station I was curious. They are better design should be on all 22k
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Unread 27-02-2014, 00:29   #14
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Just a thought... how many jobs, even temporary year-long contracts could be created with the hundreds of thousands of euro that livery changes cost? Could these jobs yield more in the way of bettering the customer experience and bringing in money than a livery? More than likely yes if focusing on the right things. And how many millions has the state imparted with over the years for various rebrandings that at the end of the day matter little to everyday customers/clients if there is insufficient change for the better in the organisations.

Not singling IÉ out here or wishing to detract from the foregoing informed debate about liveries but just making a general observation and putting perspective on its relative unimportance given the much more serious issues of our times.
Presumably the trains will only be reliveried when they come up for repainting in the normal course.

There is a normal cycle involved in which trains/buses are repainted, so it is hardly true to say that a new livery being applied necessarily costs hundreds of thousands of EURO.
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Unread 27-02-2014, 16:32   #15
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Anyone else think the commuter livery should change?
I don't see a particular problem.

Once technical requirements are taken care of (doors in contrasting colour, finish is readily cleanable, trains ends are readily visible in poor conditions) and it doesn't offend sensibilities (Arriva Trains Wales have an interior anti-graffiti pattern on some trains that looks untidy), I'm not sure that many people care what colour a train is.

The suggested green looks perhaps too dark. Having the doors white would probably show up the most dirt in the locations where it is most noticed.
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I take it the rules from EU on colures are the reaons why IE changed the doors on the 22's from the gray to green?
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Unread 27-02-2014, 20:23   #17
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Yup, plus the colour of the door buttons

We had an interesting chat with Irish Rail about the door colour when the first unit appeared in Waterford on display
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Y plus the colour of the door buttons

We had an interesting chat with Irish Rail about the door colour when the first unit appeared in Waterford on display
What was the problem with the buttons, would of expected Green and Red to be standard around the world?

Just on the new livery, surly IE will just follow the 22s, 2600 and 2800 and have the same applied to the 2900's and have the whole fleet silver and green doors with yellow ends. Would be very surprised if IE go for a completely different livery for the 2900's.
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Here you go before and after
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Quite a difference

Incidentally the Mk3 coach has had a number of different trial liveries applied

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Incidentally the Mk3 coach has had a number of different trial liveries applied
I don't suppose you managed to get any pictures Mark? Just out of curiosity
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