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Unread 31-07-2018, 10:40   #1
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I was wondering does anyone know or where cpuld i find out the passenger numbers on different routes in 2017.
Eg. Dublin to Belfast, Dublin to Rosslare, Dublin to Waterford.
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Unread 31-07-2018, 12:33   #2
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These are not generally available in a consistent format


Cork local 1.32m
Dublin Area 32.77m

Total Nationwide 45.5m

So regional/intercity is 12m of which Dublin Cork is about 3m
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Waterford approx 1.266m (+6% year on year). Belfast/Rosslare will likely be under the million mark.
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IRISH RAIL: Cork-Dublin Passenger Journeys Highest on record in 2017

A total of 3.15million passenger journeys were recorded on the Dublin/Cork rail line in 2017, the highest figures ever figures recorded on the route. This represents a 6.5% increase on 2016. Strong growth was also recorded on the Cork/Cobh and Cork Midleton commuter routes. Cork/Cobh passenger numbers were up 10% to 908,000 journeys and Cork/Midleton were up 9% to 413,000.
https://www.thecork.ie/2018/01/26/ir...ecord-in-2017/

Limerick-Dublin 900,000 up 7%
Limerick-Galway 134.000 up (34,000)

https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/h...bers-soar.html
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As I understand it the way journeys are categorized can flatter one line over another. For example a Dublin-Thurles journey will be automatically counted and a Dublin-Cork line journey, even if the trip was taken on a Dublin-Limerick train. Pretty much every pairing on the line between Dublin and Cork sees that, except Dublin commuter journeys and trips between Mallow and Cork. Similarly, a generally poor performance of the Western Rail Corridor is flattered by the inclusion of Limerick-Ennis journeys regardless of the fact that line was opened long before it. There’s also no categorization for Cork-Kerry journeys, even though there are three direct trains a day.
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As I understand it the way journeys are categorized can flatter one line over another. For example a Dublin-Thurles journey will be automatically counted and a Dublin-Cork line journey, even if the trip was taken on a Dublin-Limerick train. Pretty much every pairing on the line between Dublin and Cork sees that, except Dublin commuter journeys and trips between Mallow and Cork. Similarly, a generally poor performance of the Western Rail Corridor is flattered by the inclusion of Limerick-Ennis journeys regardless of the fact that line was opened long before it. There’s also no categorization for Cork-Kerry journeys, even though there are three direct trains a day.
No the 3.15 is Dublin-Cork line (excluding Kildare-Park West), if it included Limerick/Tralee it would mean less than 2,000 traveling each way daily.

12 million total approx
Cork 3.150*
Limerick 0.900*
Tralee 0.619*
Waterford 1.266*
Galway 1.800*
WRC 0.134*
Waterford Limerick J 0.035
Sligo 1.380
Westport 0.550
Rosslare 0.450
Belfast 1.100

Total 11.35 million

* Actual 2017 published

Make off numbers are largely based on:
Trakee (Mallow-Tralee)
Mayo (Athlone-Mayo)
Waterford (Athy-Waterford)
Galway (Portarlington-Athenry)
Sligo (Sligo-Maynooth)
Rosslare (Graystones-Rosslare)
Cork (Portlaoise-Cork)
Belfast (Border only?)

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Belfast was 1.25m in 2016 according to irish rail documents.
Does rosslare include all south of greystones (eg wicklow)
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As I live on the Sligo line, the number there always jumps out at me but it is really quite amazing that a line to a town of 20,000 people with no major population centres en-route generates similar trip numbers as the Belfast line.

Presumably Longford commuter is lumped in with this but it does appear to be a pretty good result when you consider it's single line for most of the route, there are no late trains, first trains arrive in Dublin at 10AM Saturday, midday Sunday and the catering service is almost non-existent.
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Lack of a motorway helps

Dublin Belfast numbers really should be on a par with Cork but due to a combination of poor frequency, slow journey and the lack of historical flows of people due the border its lagging behind
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All of the numbers quoted in this discussion are passenger-journeys, which are pretty meaningless when you compare suburban with long-distance travel. What you need to compute is passenger-kilometers, which avoids counting a journey from Blackrock to Pearse as equal to Dublin-Cork. Done properly you could also sort out the contribution of feeder routes to main routes, and also look at usage of various segments of long-distance lines.

If Irish Rail and the NTA have not done something like this then they are effectively flying blind.
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They would havw a lot of data journeys made via online, annual and TMv transactions. The Portlaoise commuter just demonstrates connections. When there is Galway/Waterford/Cork services running the Portlaoise commuter from Newbridge south is well used by passengers connecting between routes. Its arguable one of the best service changes in recent years by them.
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The Sligo line figures are remarkable as pointed out earlier and to think a number of years ago there was serious discussion on closing the line beyond Mullingar showing how short sighted the Dublin oriented thinking can be. The regions need infrastructure like rail for connectivity and flexible alternative transport options for long distance travel. People will use rail if the service is quality and the price is competitive. Incentives like family travel prices at week ends should be considered to use imagination and creative ways to utilise the lines to a maximum - this happens on the continent.
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Dublin Belfast numbers really should be on a par with Cork but due to a combination of poor frequency, slow journey and the lack of historical flows of people due the border its lagging behind
Although Belfast is a bigger city, there are a few drags on performance compared to Cork, largely based on the change in jurisdiction. Plenty of Cork-based civil servants have to travel to meetings in Dublin. That doesn't apply to those in Belfast. Similarly, anyone who has used the 06:15 or 07:00 trains will have noted the number of solicitors and barristers heading up to the Dublin courts. Again that doesn't apply.
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Dublin Belfast numbers really should be on a par with Cork but due to a combination of poor frequency, slow journey and the lack of historical flows of people due the border its lagging behind
There isn't that big a difference between daily numbers on the Dublin/Belfast and Dublin/Cork services if the recent NTA census is to be believed. It would appear that boardings at Cork are 1885 northbound with arrivals being 1795 from the Mallow direction. It seems likely that several hundred of these passengers are travelling to and from Mallow, a pattern that is clear to travelers on the 1725 from Cork to Dublin which empties substantially at Mallow.

Again using the NTA census as a source the daily numbers using Belfast services & crossing the border the numbers appear to be 1477 northbound and 1322 southbound.

Of course the cross-border service is only a small proportion of business on the Belfast line, the entire line (excluding DART) handles close to 10 million passenger journeys per annum.

The railway could be massively more significant along the north east corridor but for this to happen there will need to be faster and more frequent services. At a minimum strategic additional physical track will be required to give a much greater degree of separation from the 20 mph DART services which are such an impediment to a competitive longer distance commuter and cross-border service.
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About 1.525 million passengers used the enterprise in 2017 if i did thr maths correctly from the 2016+2017 census
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Article in the Indo today showing that over 45m journeys on rail in most recent figures and a 6% increase continuing, proving the point that the public will use rail if the service is adequate and good value. We had been told for years that IE was unsuitable for rail as it didnt have the volume of passengers to make it viable. Thankfully not all lines were ripped up and we still have a potential rail service in place. There are still options to link the likes of Navan into Dublin and use semi idle lines to shift rail traffic from the busy lines and begin a double track to Mullingar. These and reopening the Tuam and Claremorris line in the west will have positive knock on effect in providing commuter options elsewhere including into traffic blocked Galway.
Reopening the Phoenix park tunnel has increased options around Dublin and IE rail had to be dragged screaming to the table to accept the inevitable on that vital city transport asset. Time for IE rail to start thinking big and meet the public demand.
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2018 passengers numbers on Waterford route were 1.38m up 9.5% (120k) passing the previous record of 1.37m in 2007. Capacity likely up 0.5% if even that.

https://beat102103.com/news/waterfor...nger-journeys/

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Kildare line: 2.9m up 10.6%
Maynooth line 4.38m up 1.6%
https://www.leinsterleader.ie/news/h...dare-line.html
Maynooth and PPT line will likley see bigger increase this year as a result of more off peak trains.

Is heuston-kildare section of waterford service counted as dublin-waterford or kildare commuter.

Does anyone have statistics of dublin-cork/Belfast/Galway/rosslare for 2018

Iv noticed that since timetable change a westport service calls at hazelhatch, does this use platform 4 or go onto slow line using platform 3
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Iv noticed that since timetable change a westport service calls at hazelhatch, does this use platform 4 or go onto slow line using platform 3
Which one?, none should be calling there. The Up/Down fast platforms are signed out of use so would only be used in an emergency/disruption.
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Apologies
Its acually a service from athlone and iv just realised platform 4 at hazelhatch is down slow, not down fast
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