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Unread 04-11-2009, 09:36   #101
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Will the new timetables allow for people to make changes to commuter, intercity or dart services without having to be there 20 mins early due to their connection leaving as they arrive on their train.
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Unread 04-11-2009, 10:49   #102
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The most important question: Will the new timetable be operated by intercity rolling stock?
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Unread 04-11-2009, 11:00   #103
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My guess is we won't be seeing the 3 car ICR sets on all services. They are still short sets 10 and 11 which had to be sent back due in transit damage

Word is they have been scrapped in Korea and a completly new sets 10 and 11 are being built at no cost to IE

Nothing we can do until we see the actual published timetable, Irish Rail deny the accuracy of the timetables they have leaked and have been obtained by ourselves and others
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Unread 04-11-2009, 12:25   #104
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I have heard that the early morning (05.44) train ex Arklow that was to be axed in the new timetable will now start from Enniscorthy and continue to give a connection for Waterford at Rosslare Strand but you still won't be able to travel back to Wexford or Enniscorthy EVER!!! Clearly IE are catering for the emigration market to Waterford.
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Unread 04-11-2009, 12:40   #105
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The most important question: Will the new timetable be operated by intercity rolling stock?
Just checking there and they have the new timetables online at the moment from the 28th. According to that all trains except the 17:30 are showing as intercity. No sigh of new services, just rejigged times and extensions to existing services.

Should be fun trying to crowd the standing crowd on a 2900 into a 3 carriage ICR on some services, particularly as it's still only 3 services each way at weekends from Enniscorthy onwards
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Unread 04-11-2009, 12:55   #106
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Just seen the Northern line one - up to 10 mins of padding on some services, partly disguised by additional stops at Gormanston.
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Unread 04-11-2009, 12:58   #107
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Default New timetable now online

DART is now clockface but what a shocker!

every 15 minutes in peak hours included.

Maynooth line not too bad but no longer clockface in evening departs at :29 and :59 no major changes to sunday!

No major changes to sligo services.

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Unread 04-11-2009, 13:03   #108
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DART is now clockface but what a shocker!
Malahide ones aren't though - only those leaving Howth are. Plus the clockface interval seems to change during the day.
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Unread 04-11-2009, 13:12   #109
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The WRC times are in the system!!!

Limerick - Galway week days:
06:00 [Arrives 08:25]
09:35 [Arrives 11:34]
11:55 [Arrives 13:51]
14:15 [Arrives 16:13]
18:05 [Arrives 20:00]

Galway - Limerick:
06:04 [Arrives 08:39]
09:45 [Arrives 11:48]
12:10 [Arrives 14:08]
14:30 [Arrives 16:28]
17.25 [Arrives 19.24]

There are also four services each way on Sundays.
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Unread 04-11-2009, 13:46   #110
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Default Noticable Rosslare line changes

The new intercity carriages may be a good thing but timings! to gorey
time differerence between old and new highlighted in bold

time 2009 2010

early morn 1:51 1:51 0

late morn 1:52 n/a

lunchtime 1:38 1:52 0:14

eve peak 1 (16h) 1:53 1:52 -0:01

eve peak 2 (17h) 1:54 2:00 0:06

eve peak 3 (18h) 1:47 1:54 0:07

only benefit is 1 minute off the 16:30/16:40 connolly gorey/wexford service

extra 26 minutes in total and 1 service less for gorey passengers

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Unread 04-11-2009, 13:54   #111
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The WRC times are in the system!!!

Galway - Limerick:
06:40 [Arrives 08:39]
09:45 [Arrives 11:48]
12:10 [Arrives 14:08]
14:30 [Arrives 16:28]
17.25 [Arrives 19.24]
The first service in the other direction is the only one to take 2:25, due to an unfortunate 25 minute layover in Ennis.
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Unread 04-11-2009, 13:54   #112
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I have a 7 min connection time to get from platform 7 to 3 all things going well.

I see the 1705 Sligo train is first stop Maynooth.

I can see this train been popular for Maynooth people
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Unread 04-11-2009, 14:32   #113
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Looks like I'll be crushed in going home, its a DART every fifteen minutes going southbound, its going to be fun
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Unread 04-11-2009, 14:34   #114
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It appears the 1620 from Connolly to Maynooth is gone.
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Unread 04-11-2009, 14:40   #115
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It appears the 1620 from Connolly to Maynooth is gone.
looks like its been brought forward to 16.18
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Unread 04-11-2009, 14:51   #116
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I suppose it was inevitable there would be service cutbacks, but the Cork-Dublin service has hugely deteriorated (with the exception of the new fast 0630). For example the 1630 now has 10 stops and takes 3 hours: others are not much better. The 1730 (which used to be the main evening up express service is now 2 h 25m and has about 6 stops).

I would imagine tha punctuality will go to hell with so many stops (even allowing for the existing padding). Then will they try to restore punctuality by adding another 10 minutes next year?

All this when the new Dublin-Cork motorway will be complete. So much for rising to meet the challenge!
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Unread 04-11-2009, 14:58   #117
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The half hourly service to Greystones (for which demand is not there, 45 minutes maybe) is implemented by having a second train it appears, the second departing immediately after the firsts arrival. The 33 minute turnaround allows for a drivers 30 minute break so should reduce staff change delays

I can see this going badly wrong as it requires a level of precision unheard of from IE. Now what happens if a train is 10 minutes late into Bray, it can either delay the next Greystones train by 7 minutes or sit in Bray for a further 7 minutes while a train comes up from Greystones and arrive 17 minutes late.
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Unread 04-11-2009, 16:10   #118
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Iarnród Éireann has outlined a range of service changes to take effect later this month.

The highlight of the changes, which will be introduced from November 29th, will be a new joint service in each direction between Dublin and Galway / Westport.

The new Intercity railcar fleet which now operates these routes give the flexibility to introduce European-style “split and join” services.

Two new early bird Monday to Friday services, an 05.15 Westport to Dublin and 06.05 Galway to Dublin will leave Westport and Galway as two three-carriage trains, and will join together at Athlone to complete the journey as one service.

Similarly, a new 15.30 service from Dublin to Galway/Westport will operate from Dublin to Athlone as one train, and split at Athlone, with the front 3 carriages operating to Galway, and the rear 3 carriages to Westport. This will increase the number of trains on these route from three to four each way daily for Westport, and from seven to eight each way daily for Galway.

The new Intercity railcar fleet allows the company to expand services on both routes in an economical way, meaning that even in this difficult economic environment, we can bring service improvements to these routes in a cost-effective manner. This has been the focus of our service review, to ensure we maintain strong services while controlling costs.



OTHER MAJOR SERVICE CHANGES FROM 29TH NOVEMBER

Note: Customers on all routes should check departure times from 29th November for all services, as there may be minor changes, including some earlier departure times.

Waterford-Dublin

A new express 07.10 Waterford to Heuston service (Monday to Saturday) will be introduced, with one intermediate stop only, at Carlow. This service will deliver a journey time of two hours from Waterford to Dublin, ideal for customers with business and other appointments in the capital. In addition, it offers an express commuter service from Carlow, serving Carlow at 8.06, and arriving in Dublin in 64 minutes.

Journey time savings of up to 15 minutes will be delivered on many services on the Dublin/Waterford route due to the operational improvements delivered by the new fleet. Most journey times will be between 2 hours 15 and 2 hours 30 minutes on the route.

Westport – Dublin & Galway - Dublin

As well as the new “split and join” services detailed above, journey time improvements will be delivered on most services, with journey time savings of up to 17 minutes.

The first morning weekday service from Dublin to Westport and Galway will also be an amalgamated service at 07.30hrs, splitting at Athlone.

The 6.05 service from Galway to Dublin will also operate on Saturdays.

Cork – Dublin & Tralee - Dublin

The 06.30 Cork to Dublin service will serve Mallow only en route, to deliver an express service with a journey time of 2 hours 30 minutes.

This will also deliver, through a connection from the 05.20 Tralee to Mallow/Cork service, a journey time of 3 hours 40 minutes from Tralee to Dublin, and 3 hours 15 minutes from Killarney to Dublin.

One service in each direction will be removed (19.30 Cork to Heuston and 20.00 Heuston to Cork), with the last services remaining as the 20.30 Cork to Heuston and 21.00 Heuston to Cork, and a total of 14 services each way daily.

Limerick – Dublin

The number of services each way daily will increase from 15 to 16, with an increase in the number of connecting services at Limerick Junction, and a decrease in direct services.

Rosslare Europort/Wexford – Dublin

The number of direct services for Wexford increase to five, with the extension of the 16.30 Connolly to Wexford (previously terminated at Gorey), and 17.30 Connolly to Wexford (previously terminated at Enniscorthy.

There will also be an additional evening direct service from Wexford to Dublin at 19.30. In addition, there will be increased use of the new Intercity railcar fleet on the route.

Sligo – Dublin (incl. Longford / Mullingar commuter)

A new early morning 5.45 service from Longford to Pearse will be introduced, offering an additional commuting option for customers from Longford, Edgesworthtown, and Mullingar. In addition, the 17.05 Connolly to Sligo service will have an additional stop at Maynooth, offering an express evening commute option for Maynooth commuters.

DART services

In a major review of DART schedules, a new regular 15-minute interval service is to be introduced across the full day (Monday to Saturday), with additional services operating at peak times (Monday to Friday) to match demand.

This will result in Greystones seeing a major increase in services with every second DART serving the Co Wicklow town, resulting in a service every 30 minutes (Monday to Friday).

This, together with Rosslare and Wexford/Arklow services, will see the service frequency from Greystones to Dublin go up from 33 trains daily to 42.

The regular interval service will eliminate occasional significant gaps in service at off-peak times, and give an easily understandable pattern of services through the day for customers.

Waterford to Limerick Junction

Service frequency will be revised from four trains each way daily to three.

Other routes and intermediate stations

Customers are again reminded to check times of travel for all journeys from 29th November onwards, on all routes and for intermediate stations.

Full details for the new schedules are now available on www.irishrail.ie via the timetable, and downloadable route specific pdfs will be available very shortly.
http://www.irishrail.ie/news_centre/...ew&news_id=551
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Unread 04-11-2009, 16:12   #119
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So the current early morning departure from Enfield (7ish) is now extended to longford in the new timetable
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Unread 04-11-2009, 16:18   #120
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That with the extra morning train eliminates the empty movements of the past, extending the Enfield train also means it doesn't run empty from Connolly. Fairly sure this solution was posted on this form last year
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