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Unread 24-05-2006, 09:10   #1
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Well look how great Irish Rail are

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Security alert Belfast by Press Office

Due to security alert bus transfers between Belfast and Newry
Look what the professionals in Belfast can manage, noting that the line is now reopened. Compare that to the pointless message IE have up

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Latest Update 24-May-2006 9:01


Enterprise - Dublin Line Reopened 24-May-2006 8:40
The security alert at Lurgan is now over. Enterprise services will soon be returing to normal service.


Enterprise - Dublin Line Closure, Security Alert 24-May-2006 7:25
Due to a security alert at Lurgan the Dublin line will be closed between Moira and Portadown.

Passengers travelling from Belfast Central to Dundalk, Drogheda and Dublin will be bussed to Newry where they will catch the Enterprise.

Passengers in Portadown will board the Enterprise as normal.

Passengers travelling from the South to the North will operate the above in reverse.

For further information please contact the Translink Call Centre on 02890 66 66 30 (seven days 7am to 8pm).

NI Railways - 0830 Lisburn to Belfast Central 24-May-2006 9:00
Due to the earlier security alert the 0830 train from Lisburn to Belfast will be delayed by approximately 16 minutes.


NI Railways - 0820 Bangor to Lisburn 24-May-2006 8:58
Due to the earlier security alert the 0820 train from Bangor to Lisburn will be cancelled.


NI Railways - 0832 Belfast Great Victoria Street to Lisburn 24-May-2006 8:51
Due to the earlier security alert the 0832 train from Belfast to Lisburn will be cancelled.


NI Railways - Portadown Line Reopened 24-May-2006 8:44
The security alert at Lurgan is now over. Train services on the Portadown line will soon be returning to normal service however in the meantime passengers are advised that some disruption may still be experienced.


NI Railways - Newry Line 24-May-2006 8:28
Due to the security alert the 0650 train from Newry to Bangor will be cancelled as far as Belfast Great Victoria Street. The train will depart Belfast Great Victoria Street with a delay of approximately 14 minutes.


NI Railways - Portadown Line 24-May-2006 8:02
Due to the security alert the following train will be cancelled on the Portadown line;
0700 Portadown to Bangor.

NI Railways - Bangor Line 24-May-2006 7:55
Due to the security alert the following trains will be cancelled on the Bangor line;
0740 Belfast Great Victoria to Bangor and 0820 Bangor to Belfast Great Victoria Street.

For further information please contact the Translink Call Centre on 02890 66 66 30.

NI Railways - Portadown Line Closure, Security Alert 24-May-2006 7:34
Due to a security alert at Lurgan the Portadown line will be closed between Moira and Portadown.

Passengers wishing to travel from Portadown or Lurgan towards Belfast will be bussed to Lisburn rail station where they will board a train - they can also catch the ordinary Ulsterbus or Goldline services to Belfast.

Passengers are advised that their NI Railway tickets are valid on schedule Ulsterbus and Goldline services.

Passengers travelling in the opposite direction will operate the above in reverse.
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Unread 24-05-2006, 14:18   #2
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That would explain why a 2900 set showed up this morning instead of regular DD set.

Made good time too - I did a mile post test and estimate it was doing close to 80mph. I'm sure they're not supposed to be able to do that. Arrived in Connolly at the regular time.
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Unread 27-05-2006, 03:45   #3
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Yep - it booted it along in places.

For all of the Enterprise's faults, there's nothing more crushing than arriving at the station and not seeing the cheery bright light of the Enterprise approaching in the distance with its comfy seats, air con and muted atmosphere, but instead being greeted by the deafing roar of a garish green Lego box sitting at the platform, and the prospect of a head wrecking ride for the next 70 minutes, facing this:




It's not just crushing, it's devastating, it's soul destroying, it's every worst nightmare rolled into one. And it happens on average twice a year.
One daren't look down from the car park every morning for fear of it being one of The Days
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Unread 27-05-2006, 10:18   #4
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Looks like Sean's found a friend!

Where do you get it between?

At preasent, there are four possible Enterprise replacement options:

IE 2900 set from Drogheda.
IE Mk2d set from Dublin.
NIR C3K set from Belfast.
NIR Class 80 from Belfast (thankfully we don't see those too often any more).

Of those, I'd consider the Class 80 far worse than the 2900!

In fairness, this was because of a security alert, and there was nothing NIR or IE could do, so actually having a train to transfer to was an achievement.

It's been suggested on this board that IE and NIR come to an agreement whereby the Gatwick Mk2 coaches are kept in Donegal with a loco from IE as a handy spare for the Enterprise.
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Unread 27-05-2006, 11:18   #5
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It's been suggested on this board that IE and NIR come to an agreement whereby the Gatwick Mk2 coaches are kept in Donegal with a loco from IE as a handy spare for the Enterprise.
I don't think the Mk2 Gatwicks are allowed run in the south for some reason. I'm not 100% sure of this though - I'm open to correction.
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Unread 27-05-2006, 12:31   #6
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There allowed anywhere once there is a NIR conductor on board to look after the central locking and generator

Set is currently immobile due to defective batteries

It should be noted there are no tables fitted
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Unread 27-05-2006, 14:21   #7
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It's been suggested on this board that IE and NIR come to an agreement whereby the Gatwick Mk2 coaches are kept in Donegal with a loco from IE as a handy spare for the Enterprise.
Have you joined WoT or perhaps CWoT, James?
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Unread 27-05-2006, 17:46   #8
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Have you joined WoT or perhaps CWoT, James?
Oops. Er yes, the little known town of Donegal in Co. Louth.

I don't know if that would work if there has to be an NIR conductor on board.

The real shame is that we didn't manage to buy some spare 125MPH capable intercity DMUs that were on offer last year because they were spare in the UK.
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Unread 27-05-2006, 16:59   #9
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Yep - it booted it along in places.

For all of the Enterprise's faults, there's nothing more crushing than arriving at the station and not seeing the cheery bright light of the Enterprise approaching in the distance with its comfy seats, air con and muted atmosphere, but instead being greeted by the deafing roar of a garish green Lego box sitting at the platform, and the prospect of a head wrecking ride for the next 70 minutes, facing this:
Amen.

But you guys are lucky though, when the Enterprise sets crap out, you have (what used to be the Sligo) Mk2ds ...
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Unread 27-05-2006, 18:10   #10
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Alas not from Dundalk Sean if it's a security alert or disturbance to services, as they're usually fairly short notice, meaning a four-car 2900 set is hauled up from Drogheda for use, while the Northerners are left to face the buses.
Only when an Enterprise loco breaks down (very rare nowadays thank goodness) that a nice Mk2 set is put on. So rare in fact that I've only had to use one in replacement of the Enterprise in five years. Had lots of fun on the NIR models mentioned though over the years, not to mention a host of other indiscribeables


But yes Sean I have read with bemusement, but also whole-hearted sympathy and agreement your rants over the years regarding the monstrous 2900s.
It's an old chestnut now whinging about how bad they are, but it can get irritating when you hear soothing 'ah they're not that bad' 'I used one the other day and had a pleasant ride' remarks about them. Try using these headache-generating, converted milk bottles Pritt-Sticked onto lawnmower engines every day of the week, day in day out, at 7.15 in the morning, or 19.00 in the evening, for an hour and a half, often standing, being frozen out of it in winter with the doors gaping open, the heating being turned off when leaving the station for the rest of the journey, the throbbing engines vibrating through your body for 90 minutes, their roar throbbing through you head, their noise eliminating the ability to listen to the radio or walkman on what are commuter trains, their operations interfering with radio signals, their noise often even hampering conversation on the trains, their horrendous acoustics permitting the noise to bounce around the cabins like crateload of ping-pong balls, the monstrous views of hunks of PVC-clad wall for the length of your journey, the unnecessary stickers tacked onto the windows reducing limited sightlines even further, the harsh florescent lighting, the lack of even carpet on the floor…
The list is endless.

They most certainly are an improvement on the 2600 and 2700, but then so is Dick Roche on Martin Cullen - I pity the poor souls who have had these yokes inflicted on them; as far as I remember in one of these, there isn’t a single airline seat that has a window view.

The notion that we are stuck with this lot for probably the next 20 years fills me utter horror. It’s the stuff of nightmares.
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Unread 28-05-2006, 01:35   #11
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I'm afraid I have to put myself in the "they're not that bad" camp. I agree they can be a bit noisy, and the ride can be a bit bouncy at times, but they do have rock-solid reliability, and there's far worse out there (not that that should be an excuse).

The real problem is that most peak time services are badly overcrowded. I can accept that standing is the norm on peak-time commuter trains. The problem is that in most cities you won't generally have to stand more than 15-20 minutes until the train starts to empty out and you get a seat. On the Northern line trains, you can easily be left standing the best part of an hour to Laytown or Drogheda. I've heard people claim they always have to stand the whole way to Dundalk, which in my experience would seem to be an exageration, but it's not that far off it, and it;s likely to get worse before it gets better. Despite the 2900's problems, if the overcrowding could be sorted out, it would be a lot more comfortable.

The 17:15 train seems to be the worst affected. I think a stop-gap measure would be to have a second train from Connolly either just before or just after it. If it left Connolly at the same time as a Maynooth train, it could use a wasted slot on the Northern line. The only problem is finding a spare set for such a service.
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It's an old chestnut now whinging about how bad they are, but it can get irritating when you hear soothing 'ah they're not that bad' 'I used one the other day and had a pleasant ride' remarks about them. Try using these headache-generating, converted milk bottles Pritt-Sticked onto lawnmower engines every day of the week, day in day out, at 7.15 in the morning, or 19.00 in the evening, for an hour and a half, often standing, being frozen out of it in winter with the doors gaping open, the heating being turned off when leaving the station for the rest of the journey, the throbbing engines vibrating through your body for 90 minutes, their roar throbbing through you head, their noise eliminating the ability to listen to the radio or walkman on what are commuter trains, their operations interfering with radio signals, their noise often even hampering conversation on the trains, their horrendous acoustics permitting the noise to bounce around the cabins like crateload of ping-pong balls, the monstrous views of hunks of PVC-clad wall for the length of your journey, the unnecessary stickers tacked onto the windows reducing limited sightlines even further, the harsh florescent lighting, the lack of even carpet on the floor…
The list is endless.
Just two questions:
1. do you find the noise unacceptable in all areas of the train, or just in the 1 carriage out of 4 that has the 'driving engine' switched on?
2. What level of comfort do you think is appropriate for a destination like Dundalk? Do you think there should be intercity levels of comfort, or would something less be acceptable for you?
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