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Unread 12-02-2008, 09:39   #1
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Exclamation [12/02/2008] All routes - cancellations

Due to ongoing industrial relations issues there is a strong possibilty that there may be cancellations on some services. These will be ad hoc and random in nature and it is unlikely we will have details before they occur.

Trains effected most likely are those which where added in the new timetable and some others. This would indicate a refusal by staff to undertake work as overtime or a lack of cover due to staff calling in sick.

The perliminary best guesses are as follows

06:30 Portlaois - Heuston
17:35 Heuston - Carlow
19:30 Cork - Cobh
20:00 Cobh - Cork
20:30 Cork - Cobh
21:00 Cobh - Cork

Sunday Dublin Cork http://www.railusers.ie/forum/showthread.php?t=3745
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Westport Dublin http://www.railusers.ie/forum/showthread.php?t=3601
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Unread 14-02-2008, 00:35   #2
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So more than a day later Irish Rail admit they have a problem

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06 30 Portlaoise to Heuston & 17 35 Heuston to Carlow cancelled by Corporate Communications

Iarnród Éireann advises customers that the weekday 06.30hrs service from Portlaoise to Heuston, and weekday 17 35 Heuston to Carlow service are both cancelled currently due to operational problems.

Advice for 06.30hrs Portlaoise to Heuston customers

Customers from Portlaoise, Portarlington and Monasterevin are advised to travel on the 06.51hrs service from Portlaoise, which will stop additionally at Portarlington.

Customers from stations between Kildare and Heuston are advised to travel on the 06.59hrs Kildare to Heuston.


Advice for 17.35hrs Heuston to Carlow customers

Customers for Sallins, Newbridge, Athy and Carlow are advised to travel on the 17.50hrs Heuston to Galway service. Customers for Athy and Carlow will be transferred by bus from Newbridge.


Iarnród Éireann apologises to customers for the inconvenience caused.
If we knew they knew so why the delay?
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Unread 14-02-2008, 14:19   #3
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I have spoken to my local TD about it today! The reason Irish Rail did not want it in the public domain was becoz they had a clerical error in compiling the rosters when the new timetable was implemented in December. Do u remember the 06.30 portlaoise train did not go the first couple of mornings as sceduled? anyway rather than have egg on their face they have been told to communicate it as an operational problem. I bought an annual ticket this year because of the new 6.30am service! Otherwise I was going to drive to Newbridge/Kildare! Because I bought this ticket and Irish Rail have not provided the service due tot heir mistake can I sue them for breach of contact?
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Unread 14-02-2008, 16:06   #4
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Its not a clerical error, its got very little to do with the 2008 timetable. Its very simple Irish Rail don't have staff to operate numerous trains and rely on staff to work rest days and overtime. That is bad management and planning and they are now getting stung

There is a likelyhood of a further 9 trains a day being effected, most of which existed in the 2007 timetable, that would bring the number to 18 trains effected in some way

As is usual Irish Rail are using a smokescreen to cover the show up, note Irish Rail have never admitted to the cancellations Cork Cobh

If anyone is delayed by more than an hour by having to get a later train, you have a legitimate claim for a partial refund.
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Unread 14-02-2008, 16:21   #5
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Mark - any indication as to what the further affected trains might be?
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Unread 14-02-2008, 16:35   #6
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At this stage no and it wouldn't be productive to speculate.
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Unread 14-02-2008, 17:59   #7
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cancelled by Corporate Communications
Blame Barry.
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Unread 15-02-2008, 20:11   #8
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Service alterations: Galway, Westport, Kerry lines; Saturday and Sunday 16th, 17th February by Corporate Communications


Due to operational problems associated with crewing, the following services will be substituted by bus this weekend, 16th-17th February:

Saturday 16th February

14.35 Heuston - Galway

18.05 Galway - Heuston



15.15 Tralee - Mallow

17.25 Mallow - Tralee

19.15 Tralee - Mallow

18.30 Heuston - Tralee (train Heuston - Mallow, bus Mallow - Tralee)



Sunday 17th February

13.45 Heuston - Galway

18.15 Galway - Heuston



18.05 Heuston - Westport (bus Heuston-Athlone, train Athlone - Westport)

17.55 Westport - Heuston (train Westport-Athlone, bus Athlone-Heuston)



13.45 Tralee - Heuston (bus Tralee - Mallow, train Mallow - Heuston)

19.10 Heuston - Tralee (train Heuston - Mallow, bus Mallow-Tralee)



Iarnród Éireann apologises to customers for the inconvenience caused.
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Unread 15-02-2008, 22:51   #9
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I've slightly amended it:

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Due to operational problems associated with crewing

Iarnród Éireann apologises to customers for the inconvenience we have caused.
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Unread 18-02-2008, 09:53   #10
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situation seemed vey fluid over the weekend - 14:35 Heuston->Galway actually ran despite being listed as not running

IE person in heuston told me that they 'found' a crew for that one!
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Unread 19-02-2008, 15:18   #11
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Just confirm things remain exactly as posted last week.

6:30 Portlaoise Heuston
17:35 Heuston Carlow
19:30 Cork - Cobh
20:00 Cobh - Cork
20:30 Cork - Cobh
21:00 Cobh - Cork

Remain cancelled

Portlaoise & Carlow are not rostered and are overtime/rest day work. Cork Cobh cancellations to avoid Dublin Cork cancellations

Good news if there is any there won't be any more Mk3 or 2700 replacements on Sunday mornings out of Cork that problem sorted but the revised times remain in place on Sundays

There was to be a meeting last night, as reported by the media. This meeting did not take place.
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Unread 19-02-2008, 23:23   #12
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I have spoken to my local TD about it today! The reason Irish Rail did not want it in the public domain was becoz they had a clerical error in compiling the rosters when the new timetable was implemented in December. Do u remember the 06.30 portlaoise train did not go the first couple of mornings as sceduled? anyway rather than have egg on their face they have been told to communicate it as an operational problem. I bought an annual ticket this year because of the new 6.30am service! Otherwise I was going to drive to Newbridge/Kildare! Because I bought this ticket and Irish Rail have not provided the service due tot heir mistake can I sue them for breach of contact?
Hurakan, welcome to the board.
my advice to you would be to first write to Irish rail and complain about this, pointing out you spent whatever your annual ticket cost to get the new early morning service. You will probably get no response, this is not so important.
Next you should complain to the national consumer agency, 1890 432432, complaining that Irish rail mislead you into paying for your annual ticket in contravention of the Consumer Protection Act. section 43 (3) (b) (ii)
Misleading consumers is a criminal offence since the start of last summer.

You probably won't get much satisfaction here either, but you could probably get recompense from the small claims court if your ticket cost is below the threshold, and you have given up on travelling by train if the service is no longer there.
you would need to keep some record of the original timetable listing the early train, and some daily record of the train not running.

I see you've talked to a td. assuming it's a opposition td, and you get no satisfaction from the national consumer agency , you might complain to your td about that too- the nca was set up by Micheal Martin and he's still the minister responsible -

If you do (or don't) get any satisfaction, let us know.
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Unread 19-02-2008, 23:49   #13
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Further to Colms post since this is not industrial action Irish Rail do not have the usual escape clause
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Unread 20-02-2008, 11:11   #14
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Incidentally, I've been on Waterford trains heading into Dublin every morning this week and every morning the "train host" announces the times of the return trains to Waterford and every morning he says the 1735 to Carlow is running.
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Unread 21-02-2008, 17:37   #15
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Default Its spreading

Rather worrying information has reached us that things are going to get worse, possibly starting on Saturday with all routes bar DART potentially effected.

As of yet we have no information on precisely what may be effected

Expect at the very least a repeat of last weekends array of changes/cancellations, http://www.railusers.ie/news/news.ph...2008&no=3.html
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So trains on the Connolly side could be affected as well?

Will it be just Overtime affected services or could all/any be affected?

How come not DART, Are their drivers a seperate entity to Commuter and Intercity?

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Unread 21-02-2008, 18:08   #17
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Any service which requires a driver to work a rest day is at risk, the 2008 timetable changes where extensive in Connolly so it very hard to know what may happen

DART drivers are on a totally separate pay and hours deal
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13:18 Pearse - Drogheda is cancelled Saturday Feb 23rd, no notice given
14:30 Drogheda - Pearse is cancelled Saturday Feb 23rd, no notice given
15:05 Connolly - Sligo is cancelled Saturday Feb 23rd, no notice given
16:04 Maynooth Bray runs only to Connolly Saturday Feb 23rd, no notice given
17:32 Bray - Mullingar is cancelled Saturday Feb 23rd, no notice given
19:00 Sligo - Dublin cancelled bus transfer throughout

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Unread 22-02-2008, 17:04   #19
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Amazing how we had 90% of this at 2pm but it takes till 5pm for IE to go public

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Service alterations: Connolly services; Saturday 23rd & Sunday 24th February by Corporate Communications

Iarnród Éireann advises customers that due to ongoing operational problems associated with crewing, the following service alterations will be in place across this weekend, Saturday 23rd and Sunday 24th February on rail services serving Connolly Station.

Saturday 23rd February

11.35hrs Connolly - Gorey: Bus transfers from Connolly, calling at Wicklow, Rathdrum, Arklow and Gorey. Bus transfer from Greystones at 12.26hrs, also serving above stations.

14.48hrs Gorey - Pearse: Bus transfer from Gorey, calling at Arklow, Arklow, Rathdrum, Wicklow, Kilcoole, Greystones and Bray. Transfer to DART at Bray.

13.15hrs Pearse - Drogheda cancelled: customers will be accommodated on 13.55hrs Connolly - Drogheda.

14.30hrs Drogheda - Pearse cancelled: customers will be accommodated on 15.15hrs Drogheda - Connolly

17.34hrs Bray - Mullingar cancelled: Bray to Connolly customers will be accommodated on 17.40hrs DART from Bray; Connolly to Maynooth customers will be accommodated on 18.32hrs Pearse - Maynooth; customers travelling beyond Maynooth will be accommodated on 19.05hrs Connolly - Sligo

15.05hrs Connolly - Sligo cancelled: customers will be accommodated on 16.00hrs Connolly - Sligo

19.00hrs Sligo - Connolly: bus transfers

16.50hrs Connolly - Belfast & 20.10hrs Belfast - Connolly: bus transfers



Sunday 24th February

16.00hrs Connolly - Belfast & 19.00hrs Belfast - Connolly: bus transfers

Iarnród Éireann apologises to customers for the inconvenience caused.



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Unread 22-02-2008, 17:14   #20
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14.48hrs Gorey - Pearse: Bus transfer from Gorey, calling at Arklow, Arklow, Rathdrum, Wicklow, Kilcoole, Greystones and Bray. Transfer to DART at Bray.
The Maynooth leg of the 14:48hrs Gorey Maynooth will depart from Pearse at 16:35hrs tomorrow

Whats the likelihood of these new disruptions hitting weekday services?
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