New Timetable

[Kilocharlie]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Its all part of the plan, all trains beyond Hazelhatch will be 22k, commuter services from Hazelhatch to Heuston will be 29k

Presumable that's after the KRP goes live next August?

[plant43]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Loser is Limerick

Its all part of the plan, all trains beyond Hazelhatch will be 22k, commuter services from Hazelhatch to Heuston will be 29k

Is this to do with the speed advantage of the 22k vs. 29k?

Also, not all 22k sets have bike racks installed (I know about the cupboard). Is there plans to retrofit the rest of the fleet?

[Mark Gleeson]

The entire fleet is to be fitted and should be at this stage, the rack is in the A3 coach so 223xx numbered, thats the coach with the wheelchair space. We are waiting for a bike sticker to be placed on the door as well

22k has a serious performance advantage beyond Hazelhatch

[tigger1962]

I see my early morning train from Dundalk is leaving 5 minutes earlier but still gets to dublin around the same time, with the extra stop in Gormanston...

I was hoping the 09.10 enterprise would remain but it looks like its gone... overall Service from/to Dundalk is as bad as ever

[tigger1962]

I also see the 18.40 from Connolly no longer serves Dundalk!! So it pushes more people onto the 19.00 enterprise

[ACustomer]

What is it with the IE website. The new printed timetables are available in PDF format, but some of the files won't open, and one gets an error message: "error regarding linearised hint data".

This has happened on two separate computers at different locations, so it seems to be an IE problem. Having links to PDF files which can actually be downloaded is not exactly rocket science!

[Mark Gleeson]

Just tried every single one of the 2010 pdf's no problems at all

There are in pdf 1.2 format which is quite old so even the most simplistic pdf reader shouldn't have any problems

[dowlingm]

I've been looking at Dublin-Athenry-Gort/Ennis connections. Without the full timetable it's hard to know what the comparative times to Ennis will be like but this is what I have so far (Mon-Fri)

Dublin towards Ennis at Athenry
Arr from Athlone WB, Dep from Athenry SB
Arr XXXX Dep 0656 (no connection)
Arr 0957 Dep 1003 (6 minutes)
Arr 1149 Dep 1226 (37 minutes)
Arr 1347 Dep 1446 (59 minutes)
Arr 1648 or 1747 Dep 1741 (53 minutes or no connection - how about delaying 6-7 minutes lads?)

Ennis towards Dublin at Athenry
Dep towards Galway ex Ennis, Dep towards Athlone EB
Dep XXXX Dep 0518/0618/0718 (no connection)
Dep 0808 Dep 0918 (1h10m)
Dep 1119 Dep 1118 (assuming arrival 1118 maybe a connection there)
Dep 1335 Dep 1318 (no connection) or 1518 (1hr43)
Dep 1556 Dep 1818 ( > 2hr)
Dep 1945 Dep 2228 ( > 2hr)

Unless I'm reading this wrong, it seems like an anti-Palerailer has infiltrated IE timetabling dept

[Colm Moore]

No trains running after midnight at all.

[alanperkins]

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

The big question is how will all these trains to Greystones work, it looks like a direct route to chaos

I know nothing about rail transport, but thinking about it, isn't there now a vastly increased chance of a north/south head on Dart collision on the single track Bray/Greystones stretch ?

Do Darts have automatic collision avoidance systems ?

[Mark Gleeson]

That was never a risk, full ATP is provided on the entire DART route

[Kilocharlie]

On the new timetable, the 0800 and 0900 ex-Heuston and the 1130 and 1230 ex-Cork are shown as having 2nd class only. Could these be the mooted 3-car ICR services?

[Mark Gleeson]

Yes they are ICR services. Passenger numbers on both are very poor. That said expect Mk4 operation on Fridays

The 10:00 from Dublin was notorious for carrying 50-60 people midweek leaving 350 seats empty.

Despite not being Mk4, I'm told a train host will travel onboard

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by alanperkins

I know nothing about rail transport, but thinking about it, isn't there now a vastly increased chance of a north/south head on Dart collision on the single track Bray/Greystones stretch ?

Do Darts have automatic collision avoidance systems ?

there is only ever likely to be one DART on that section.

[MOH]

Originally Posted by chris

Can the DART clockface timetabling (/15 Minuten Takt, as I am hoping will catch on in Hiberno-English) be run by the existing fleet without cutting capacity on individual trains? or are they relying on additional trains cutting the loads?

Shouldn't be any need for additional trains, given that by my count there's actually 5 less services each day.

Originally Posted by robdrysdale

This seems like a reduction in service to me. It's seems like a Sunday timetable every day. Very disappointing. Realistically 10 mins is the absolute maximum a commuter service should be operating at. After that as a passenger, you're likely to worry about waiting and take the car. Maybe that's what they want.
Really it should be every 5 mins.
Another win for The Greens on an important issue !!!

It is a reduction in service, any claim to the contrary by IE is pure spin.
I'm probably not going to renew my annual commuter this year, I've had enough, I'd rather drive.

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

The off peak DART service is a massive improvement, no question. Its clockface and consistent through the day. The huge gap after 7pm going southbound and the gaps after 10pm are gone. I know far too many people who have gone to bus or car as a result of the current farce of a timetable, with a bit of luck this will draw them back

There's one 34 minute gap southbound, there's 2 25-minute gaps.
On the old timetable, the longest gap was 30 mins and everything else was under 25 mins.
There's only 9 gaps a day of less than 15 minutes
Overall the new timetable is worse than the old one.

[DangerM]

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

The new intercity carriages may be a good thing but timings! to gorey


time 2009 2010

early morn 1:51 1:51 0

late morn 1:52 n/a

lunchtime 1:38 1:52 0:14

eve peak 1 (16h) 1:53 1:52 -0:01

eve peak 2 (17h) 1:54 2:00 0:06

eve peak 3 (18h) 1:47 1:54 0:07

only benefit is 1 minute off the 16:30/16:40 connolly gorey/wexford service

extra 26 minutes in total and 1 service less for gorey passengers

The new timetable for Gorey / Wexford trains is an absolute joke. I am sick and tired of sitting at each station and outside Greystones for 5 minutes on the way up, complete buffering and in some cases in the new timetable the journey is now even longer. It is a ridiculously long journey that should be a lot shorter and in no way are we getting any value for the amount we pay for a ticket. I am fuming and completely disheartened and now have to approach my manager with the new timetable to try work out what hours I can work (as they will have to change) in order to get to and from Dublin. Not one of the trains to and from Dublin corresponds to allow for an 8 hour working day no matter when you start or finish those 8 hours. Don't even get me started on the lack of a late train either, total joke all round

[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by DangerM

The new timetable for Gorey / Wexford trains is an absolute joke. I am sick and tired of sitting at each station and outside Greystones for 5 minutes on the way up, complete buffering and in some cases in the new timetable the journey is now even longer. It is a ridiculously long journey that should be a lot shorter and in no way are we getting any value for the amount we pay for a ticket. I am fuming and completely disheartened and now have to approach my manager with the new timetable to try work out what hours I can work (as they will have to change) in order to get to and from Dublin. Not one of the trains to and from Dublin corresponds to allow for an 8 hour working day no matter when you start or finish those 8 hours. Don't even get me started on the lack of a late train either, total joke all round

100% agreement! I heard a comment a good while back from someone living in Gorey to say if even there was a 2-coach 2600 set running from bray or Greystones to Gorey at 10.00pm people would use it! people would take the dart to greystones and connect with it!

For some reason CIE think that all people on the gorey line want is 22ks. For people who work later than 18:30 this is irrelavant. There are a few people on the line I know who dont care! They prefer frequency and timing over train types! Stick a 29k on the line at 21:00hrs.

Same logic applies with Mullingar passengers. Stcik a 29k on that line and run it after 21:00hrs, and you can be gauranteed it will be used!

[KSW]

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

100% agreement! I heard a comment a good while back from someone living in Gorey to say if even there was a 2-coach 2600 set running from bray or Greystones to Gorey at 10.00pm people would use it! people would take the dart to greystones and connect with it!

For some reason CIE think that all people on the gorey line want is 22ks. For people who work later than 18:30 this is irrelavant. There are a few people on the line I know who dont care! They prefer frequency and timing over train types! Stick a 29k on the line at 21:00hrs.

Same logic applies with Mullingar passengers. Stcik a 29k on that line and run it after 21:00hrs, and you can be gauranteed it will be used!

Originally Posted by DangerM

The new timetable for Gorey / Wexford trains is an absolute joke. I am sick and tired of sitting at each station and outside Greystones for 5 minutes on the way up, complete buffering and in some cases in the new timetable the journey is now even longer. It is a ridiculously long journey that should be a lot shorter and in no way are we getting any value for the amount we pay for a ticket. I am fuming and completely disheartened and now have to approach my manager with the new timetable to try work out what hours I can work (as they will have to change) in order to get to and from Dublin. Not one of the trains to and from Dublin corresponds to allow for an 8 hour working day no matter when you start or finish those 8 hours. Don't even get me started on the lack of a late train either, total joke all round

100% agee with the 2 of you, The new timetable is a joke. I honestly do not care what type of train it is the new trains are meant to reduce time . Personally the 29k is perfect good acceleration bla bla.. its a train thats it..

There should be a late train than 18.30 its almost 2010 and still we see 18.30 for the last service. I am really disappointed about the new timetable.
The timetable I uploaded which I got from IE on 28July would have suited alot but still the last service is 18.30 WHY

[shweeney]

Originally Posted by Victor

No trains running after midnight at all.

not quite:
http://tinyurl.com/y92q392

[ThomasJ]

Originally Posted by shweeney

not quite:
http://tinyurl.com/y92q392

throw in the 23.20 connolly drogheda and subsequent dundalk connection