Saturday Train

Terrontress · 05-03-2007, 09:20

Does anyone know why there is no 22.22 ex Pearse heading Northbound on a Saturday night?

The fact that the 23.20 ex Connolly is the latest is bad enough but it would seem overall that IE do not want people to use the train to get home after a few drinks in town.

This leaves a gap of two hours with no service on what should be one of the busiest times for public transport.

Derek Wheeler · 06-03-2007, 23:35

Ah where do I begin?

In simple terms, IE will claim lack of demand, without actually backing it up. It went on for years in Kildare re Sunday trains. As for the non-existant 22.22northbound on a saturday night, I'd say its a rostering issue. Someone somewhere doesn't want to work sat night and management say ok because it suits them.

Im open to correction.

At this point in the countries development, I believe we have reached a stage now whereby late rail commuter services on selected lines should be introduced at weekends without delay. There is no excuse. This initiative would also push the issue of transport police which are urgently needed in parts of Ireland.

DB and BE have done it and local operators are doing it nationwide.

Terrontress · 07-03-2007, 09:39

I think part of the problem is that Bus Eireann, Dublin Bus and Irish Rail all come under the CIE banner and therefore feel that they don't need to compete with each other.

Living in Donabate, there is one night link on a Friday and Saturday, leaving at 1.30. It takes approximately 80 minutes to get out there, after going through Santry, the airport, St. Margarets, Swords Manor.

It would seem that Irish Rail cite lack of demand for services and justify that because people don't turn up for them. Of course they don't if they don't exist. Even when they ran a special train after Robbie Williams, they didn't advertise it! My partner went to the concert and took a taxi home, unaware of the extra trains. If anyone has been on the 2320 ex Connolly on a Saturday night and seen the people sprinting to get onto the crowded train, they would know that that is not the case.

The passenger patterns are dictated by their services. NOT by passenger demand.

Oisin88 · 08-03-2007, 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terrontress

The passenger patterns are dictated by their services. NOT by passenger demand.

Best line ever. Could the committee use this one on the homepage somewhere?

Derek Wheeler · 14-03-2007, 22:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oisin88

Best line ever. Could the committee use this one on the homepage somewhere?

Yes we could and it would be similar to a line we have used over the years whereby we claimed that IE run the railway to suit themselves and not the customer. Its a well known fact they do things this way. One only has to look at the example on this thread and another by Terrontress on a different thread,the PPT, Sunday services on the Kildare line, commuter trains on the Sligo line, etc etc. Only when customers stop believing the "spin" that IE feed them via PR (which is really starting to happen) or user groups, will things start to change and change for the better. P11 is currently filling the void between the two. Behind the scenes we work tirelessly to devise a method to undo the spin and reach the customer. After nearly 2 years, our AGM this year will deliver a package that is a credit to a voluntary organisation running on limited resources.

The breakthrough is coming.

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Terrontress Regular Poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 132	Saturday Train Does anyone know why there is no 22.22 ex Pearse heading Northbound on a Saturday night? The fact that the 23.20 ex Connolly is the latest is bad enough but it would seem overall that IE do not want people to use the train to get home after a few drinks in town. This leaves a gap of two hours with no service on what should be one of the busiest times for public transport.

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06-03-2007, 23:35	#2
Derek Wheeler Registered user Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Kildare Posts: 1,555	Ah where do I begin? In simple terms, IE will claim lack of demand, without actually backing it up. It went on for years in Kildare re Sunday trains. As for the non-existant 22.22northbound on a saturday night, I'd say its a rostering issue. Someone somewhere doesn't want to work sat night and management say ok because it suits them. Im open to correction. At this point in the countries development, I believe we have reached a stage now whereby late rail commuter services on selected lines should be introduced at weekends without delay. There is no excuse. This initiative would also push the issue of transport police which are urgently needed in parts of Ireland. DB and BE have done it and local operators are doing it nationwide.

07-03-2007, 09:39	#3
Terrontress Regular Poster Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 132	I think part of the problem is that Bus Eireann, Dublin Bus and Irish Rail all come under the CIE banner and therefore feel that they don't need to compete with each other. Living in Donabate, there is one night link on a Friday and Saturday, leaving at 1.30. It takes approximately 80 minutes to get out there, after going through Santry, the airport, St. Margarets, Swords Manor. It would seem that Irish Rail cite lack of demand for services and justify that because people don't turn up for them. Of course they don't if they don't exist. Even when they ran a special train after Robbie Williams, they didn't advertise it! My partner went to the concert and took a taxi home, unaware of the extra trains. If anyone has been on the 2320 ex Connolly on a Saturday night and seen the people sprinting to get onto the crowded train, they would know that that is not the case. The passenger patterns are dictated by their services. NOT by passenger demand.