Lazy security whats the point?

Mark Gleeson · 01-08-2006, 19:12

Its all well and good having security on the trains but its success is rather dependent on them actually doing something

Case study 19:09 Bray Malahide (E821)
3 security in high vis jackets board at Lansdowne Rd
They instantly indentify 4 trouble makers in the front coach
One almost empty can of Bulmers is extracted
The fact 3 of the 4 have their feet on the seats is ignored
You half expect they would be thrown off but no
Train stops Grand Canal Dock
Bulmers can is dropped between the train and the platform by one of the security staff

Whats the point in security if they won't take action and act in a professional way

constellation · 09-08-2006, 12:20

I often see security guys getting on the Northbound Darts at Connolly in the evening. Three or four of them get on the train and just stand around talking and blocking the door. No patrolling on either the platform or the train. They don't even look around to see if anything amiss is happening.

Either they are a) off duty and on their way home or b) not much good. I'm thinking it is the latter of the two.

Nice to have them around but they don't inspire confidence. They also have an uncanny resemblance to Schutzstaffel officers with the black uniforms.

alek smart · 09-08-2006, 13:34

Yup...The general sense of menace on off-peak public transport sure will do nothing top attract persons of stature out of their Cayenne`s.
The entire area of security and anti-social behavious on or about public transport is rife with indecision and unwillingness to act.
To be fair to the CIE group,when they have taken steps to counter such "Traditional" Irish behaviour,the courts or rather certain individuals holding Judicial positions have adopted attitudes which ran counter to the entire principle of enforcement.

The process of bringing transgressors before the courts is both lenghty and expensive for the company and at all stages the judicial system operates in favour of the accused.

Even when found guilty of such charges a defending solicitor or Barrister will often whip from within the folds of his/her gown the age old "Under the Influence" mitigating circumstances defence.

This usually transfixes the Judge who immediately reduces or eliminates any meaningful sentance in favour of some Community Service or the stalwart of the Probation Act.

It is really just window dressing and serves no meaningful purpose at all.

Mark Gleeson · 14-07-2007, 23:22

Another classic example tonight, last train of the day from Bray to Connolly, full house on a 6 coach train

So two security guys standing at one set of doors, in direct view is a fine upstanding member of society knocking back a bottle of beer, said train had CCTV so its all verifiable

Of course its the first time in nearly a year that I have seen security on a train on the southside

01-08-2006, 19:12	#1
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Lazy security whats the point? Its all well and good having security on the trains but its success is rather dependent on them actually doing something Case study 19:09 Bray Malahide (E821) 3 security in high vis jackets board at Lansdowne Rd They instantly indentify 4 trouble makers in the front coach One almost empty can of Bulmers is extracted The fact 3 of the 4 have their feet on the seats is ignored You half expect they would be thrown off but no Train stops Grand Canal Dock Bulmers can is dropped between the train and the platform by one of the security staff Whats the point in security if they won't take action and act in a professional way

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09-08-2006, 12:20	#2
constellation Regular Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 73	I often see security guys getting on the Northbound Darts at Connolly in the evening. Three or four of them get on the train and just stand around talking and blocking the door. No patrolling on either the platform or the train. They don't even look around to see if anything amiss is happening. Either they are a) off duty and on their way home or b) not much good. I'm thinking it is the latter of the two. Nice to have them around but they don't inspire confidence. They also have an uncanny resemblance to Schutzstaffel officers with the black uniforms.

09-08-2006, 13:34	#3
alek smart Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 144	Yup...The general sense of menace on off-peak public transport sure will do nothing top attract persons of stature out of their Cayenne`s. The entire area of security and anti-social behavious on or about public transport is rife with indecision and unwillingness to act. To be fair to the CIE group,when they have taken steps to counter such "Traditional" Irish behaviour,the courts or rather certain individuals holding Judicial positions have adopted attitudes which ran counter to the entire principle of enforcement. The process of bringing transgressors before the courts is both lenghty and expensive for the company and at all stages the judicial system operates in favour of the accused. Even when found guilty of such charges a defending solicitor or Barrister will often whip from within the folds of his/her gown the age old "Under the Influence" mitigating circumstances defence. This usually transfixes the Judge who immediately reduces or eliminates any meaningful sentance in favour of some Community Service or the stalwart of the Probation Act. It is really just window dressing and serves no meaningful purpose at all.

14-07-2007, 23:22	#4
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Another classic example tonight, last train of the day from Bray to Connolly, full house on a 6 coach train So two security guys standing at one set of doors, in direct view is a fine upstanding member of society knocking back a bottle of beer, said train had CCTV so its all verifiable Of course its the first time in nearly a year that I have seen security on a train on the southside