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Personally I feel the "use it or lose it" concept should be made quite explicit by IE and the local group/s. It can't do any harm and indeed is fair in many respects on all sides. In that I mean putting the fact in clear language, words like "trial", "your support" etc... on posters at every station. To draw a parallel - across in Wales the new local trains to Fishguard are for a three year trial and this fact and the attendant need to support them seems very well known and appreciated by the local community there. A clear step by step process which is transparent is needed in these sort of things. To ensure fairness from all sides though the Limerick commuter situation should be addressed and finer details as per dowlingm's post addressed. |
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If this is the marginal cost of a return service from Limerick to Dublin (0515 out via Nenagh, 1340 back via Limerick Junction) and an extension of a second train from Nenagh to Ballybrophy and back to Nenagh then the railway company has a massive problem with its operational costs. In addition to the costs directly associated with the extra trains the branch is open for approximnately an extra one and a half hours, five days per week - at most equivalent to the cost of two additional staff per day. The numbers simply don't add up and have clearly been fed to a ignorant and gullible media. |
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28-02-2012, 07:43 | #144 |
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Had planned to sample the 0515 Limerick - Heuston on 05. March, however using irishrail.ie that service does not appear, unless I am traveling from any other station except Limerick. So, currently on irishrail.ie, you cannot book 0515 Limerick - Heuston from the following stations:
- Limerick (Colbert) - Castleconnell - Birdhill - Cloughjordan - Roscrea The stations on the Nenagh line (except Limerick & Ballybrophy) have no ticket vending machines, so I can understand why it is not currently possible to book tickets online for those stations. Nenagh, I assume will get the purchased online tickets from Thurles, similar to what happened when the GAA spl operated over the line back in September. Last edited by finnyus : 28-02-2012 at 08:17. Reason: Update |
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Seems to be OK now.
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Unfortunately for me, the 0530 is still the first service showing on irishrail.ie (see attachment).
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The 5K must surely be yet another example of IN&M bending statistics to suit their agenda.
I have to assume that it's what you get when you divide the total cost of operating the line by the number of services, rather than the increased cost of operating the service. How much fuel is it going to use? 200 litres maybe. And Irish Rail won't be paying duty on it. The extra staffing required can't be that high. Mostly services will be on lines that were already operational, although the morning service will mean an extra hour worked by a few people. Wear and tear on tracks and trains? Can it be that high? I just can't see how it can add up to 5K. The worst part is the suspicion that the figures must have come from within Irish Rail to make the case for closing the line before it's had a chance. |
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The 5:30 arrives before the 5:15, so the 5:15 doesn't show up. You get some weird results sometimes, like suggesting you go from Waterford to Dublin via Limerick Junction because the 11:40 train via Limerick Junction leaves after the 11:00 and arrives about quarter of an hour before the 13:00. Basically, it excludes any route that leaves before your option, if it arrives after and includes any that leaves after, but arrives before the next train, no matter how bizarre the routing. |
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In the case of Waterford-Dublin, if someone would have better use of their time in Dublin, then that routing is valid. Some Cork-Galway trips are via Portarlington, some via Limerick.
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The costs do add up so enjoy the service while its there as it is very lightly that it will canceled after the 6 months. |
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As someone who lives between Templemore and Roscrea and who works in Roscrea, it will be interesting to see that the actual patronage, as opposed to the usual vocal support, wil be for this. I was involved in a survey for the Templemore Train Users Group several years ago and we know that about half a dozen to a dozen people were using the early morning services from Temeplmore who lived in what would be the catchment for this early service. Undoubtedly there would be others who use Thurles. They should be expected to get this train (although its arrival time is only relevent to those who work in that part of the city centre nearest Heuston) but will probably get the early Cork/Limerick trains out of Templemore as they still get in earlier. The real acid test is the numbers of new passengers who will use it. Of course, what should be done is an early train from Ballybrophy to Limerick which would take an awful lot more people. I also wonder where they are getting this train from, and is it really only a long long pullback of a planned commuter service planned from Portlaosie inwards? The amount of commuter stops on the way in suggests it is. |
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IE have, understandably, a bullwark against the proposals of the McCarthy reports, and we have seen that in the case of Rosslare-Waterford and next in line for a fallback position was Ballybrophy branch with the idea of rail busses being floated on the Clonmel branch too. This initiative by Alan Kelly (and make no bones about it this is his idea not IE's) has rather scuppered that for the time being. What you may think of this initiative on his part is down to you. I couldnt possibly comment. |
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One of the problems is going to be that it takes a while to build a commuter base and I'm not sure that this line has time. In addition, people will need to know that the service isn't just going to be withdrawn if they are to start relying on it. Pulling the commuter service out of Limerick in the evening is going to do nothing to promote the image of rail commuting in the area. Someone made reference to Welsh services that were given a 3 year time frame to prove their worth. While I know we're strapped for cash at the moment, this is the kind of guarantee that is needed if public trust in the service is to be built up. |
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Ballybrophy will be a quite decent place to commute from now that there are three departures in the system which will land you in Heuston between 8.10 and 8.40.
Surely the set will have to be based in Limerick rather than deadheaded from Portlaoise to arrive before 0515? That sounds too bizarre even for Irish Rail to consider. If the 1915 dep ex Ballybrophy was held 5 or so minutes, a person could commute from Limerick to Roscrea in 1hr 40ish (dep Limerick 1800 Limerick Junction 1827 Ballybrophy 1920) with 2 changes which would compare time-wise quite well to the 1hr32 the 1605 branch service takes. While I doubt that many people not rail enthusiasts can be bothered taking three trains to get to Roscrea I would have thought a trickle of trade from the 1730 Cork departure (arr 1919) would be worth holding for considering that the bloody train will sit in Roscrea for 12 minutes anyway. |
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