CDE Cork Dublin Express train to enter service - Page 5

Mark Gleeson · 09-05-2006, 10:28

Given its the quietest train to Cork I think I'll take my chances with the 340 odd standard class seats, I can of course pay to upgrade to first

James Shields · 09-05-2006, 14:26

I thought these trains were better equiped for seat booking than any other, with digital displays over every seat for booking information. I would hope that they've already tested that the booking system works properly and integrates with the website.

Oh well. Hopefully they've just switched it off as a precaution and it will be available again soon.

Thomas J Stamp · 09-05-2006, 15:46

Quote:

I thought these trains were better equiped for seat booking than any other, with digital displays over every seat for booking information. I would hope that they've already tested that the booking system works properly and integrates with the website.

This being the company that runs trains northbound to Bray and cant get what computer controlled PIS it has woking property. I look forward to seeing the digital display over a cork seat telling joe that he's booked for Galway.

Mark Gleeson · 10-05-2006, 14:55

Latest word in from Cork is there is a set trapped in the peoples republic and there is no Cork driver is willing to drive it back

IE contacted for comment denied this despite staff on the ground admitting it

Mark Gleeson · 11-05-2006, 09:50

More has been revealed by the online timetable

The 13:30 Cork Dublin for next week has the following note "Runs on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday from 15 May until 20 May.", can't book a seat on that either

Mark Gleeson · 12-05-2006, 20:02

Now got official word of unoffical action by Cork based drivers in Cork from Monday

MrX · 13-05-2006, 23:01

Ah don't worry you'll see your name scrolling across the front of the train with an incorrect spelling, your credit card number displayed along with expiry date and security details above your seat.

I am seriously sick to death of IE drivers / disputes. They'll kill the railways if they continue like this, people like reliability.

These disputes are terrible PR, they look ridiculous and just confirm in the mind of the general public that our railways are incapable of progressing.

James Shields · 14-05-2006, 11:08

So the trains will be able to get to Cork, but they won't be able to get home again?

Or will they operate but only be run by Dublin drivers?

This seems a very silly dispute. The Train manager one made a certain amount of sense, as there were new work practices that had to be agreed, so at least half the blame lay with IE management. However, the drivers are doing pretty much what they've always done. In one direction they're driving the same ol' 201, and as I understand, the CDE cab at the other end is pretty much a replica of the 201 controls.

Or is pressing the "door close" button a major extra responsibility?

Mark Gleeson · 14-05-2006, 12:09

The 9am and 1:30pm return are Dublin drivers and staff so no issue

Dublin based drivers for years have operated on a driver only basis, there is a small payment per hour for this which was a agreed ages ago, the Cork drivers have no come back as they voted to accept this back in 2000

As I understand it the Cork Tralee and Cork Cobh service the driver releases the doors as there is no guards door key on Irish trains

Mark Gleeson · 15-05-2006, 09:39

As if I needed to report, train A202 9:00 Dublin Cork did not run and no sign of any CDE sets in Heuston

James Shields · 15-05-2006, 09:46

Berely even a train to be seen when I was there. A Mk2 set for the Galway train, and a commuter train on another platform were the only trains in sight around 8:55. Mind you, I didn't check the newer platforms.

Kildare Commuter · 17-05-2006, 18:28

From Irish Times, Breaking News, 17 May 2006

Unions at Irish rail are to recommend the introduction of the new high-tech trains that sparked this week's rail strike.

The Joint Siptu/NBRU National Locomotive Drivers Committee made the unanimous decision to back the introduction of the new Mark IV InterCity Trains, beginning May 22, after talks with management today. The trade unions plan to consult their members in the interval.

The strike began on Monday after two Cork-based drivers refused to operate a new high-tech train that the company had planned to bring into service on the Cork-Dublin route.

The action spread yesterday with drivers based in Athlone and Galway joining those in Dublin, Cork and Limerick who had stopped working on Monday in support of their two colleagues.

The drivers returned to work today after a deal was reached with Iarnród Éireann in the early hours of this morning. A deal was reached after 14 hours of talks. The intensive efforts to resolve the dispute, assisted by industrial relations consultant Phil Flynn, continued late last night and agreement was reached at 1am.

Minister for Finance Brian Cowen made his opinion on the row clear earlier today.

"We are here to provide services for our citizens, for commuters, and they shouldn't be inconvenienced in the way that they were. It gives the public service a bad name, one that we shouldn't be giving to it if we respect IR [industrial relations] machinery ," he said. "I'm glad that there has been an intervention now to resolve the immediate problem, but we shouldn't see it repeated."

He said he hoped the social partnership discussions that currently taking place would be successful, and that there would be clear commitments that the events of this week would not be repeated.

The unofficial action lead to severe disruption to services on Monday and yesterday. There were no trains between Heuston Station in Dublin and Cork, Galway or Westport, while only one train ran between Dublin and Limerick.

Only the Waterford service from Heuston was operating to a near-normal level.

GavinG · 17-05-2006, 23:24

This whole thing is a joke. It should have been sorted ages ago. Have IE EVER heard of Project mgmt ? They have been messing around with the job for lifers for years so they should have saw this coming. How come there was no consultation BEFORE these trains ever landed on Irish shores so that these trains could enter service ASAP.
We are a laughing stock again and im sick to death of these stupid disputes - Both sides are to blame.

One sad thing is for sure - this wont be the last dispute on the railways. Im sure we will see more damage to the economy by these idiots in months and years to come.

sponge · 19-05-2006, 17:41

I saw a CDE set pulling out of Kent station today, Friday, at about 10:40 AM

Power unit pointing into the tunnel. 201 at the rear in new livery. There didn't seem to be any passengers on board.I noticed that there was still tape on the steps of the carriages from the time of manufacturing.

Mark Gleeson · 19-05-2006, 19:52

This all starts to fit together

The weekly circular issued last week said 9am Dublin Cork and 13:30 return would be set 4002, the one parked in platform 9 Heuston.

It is fairly well known that set 4002 is the only one suitable for passenger services, the above post clearly shows that set 4003 was not ready for service

Iarnród Éireann withdrew seat booking on those trains, 9am Dublin Cork and 13:30 return

We all assumed that the first service would be the 9am, I've been told that. There is a big question of how the 5:30 out of Cork became a CDE operated

sean · 21-05-2006, 18:15

What's the bets the drivers in the People's Republic will be too wasted tomorrow morning to drive the new trains?

Mark Gleeson · 21-05-2006, 18:36

They won't be driving the new train for the foreseeable future

sean · 21-05-2006, 19:59

Mark Gleeson · 21-05-2006, 20:01

At the moment no Cork driver is needed to drive as the 9:00 is a Dublin driver.

Your next question is what on earth happened in Cork last week, thats for later

James Shields · 21-05-2006, 20:54

So is the first train 9:00 from Dublin tomorrow?

There was some mention of the 5:30 from Cork. The later service makes more sense to me since the 5:30 will likely carry a lot of people coming up to Dublin for the week. Apart from there being less people to see it if there were any problems, it's likely to attract a lot of media attention, and there's no point in having the media showing off how overcrowded the train is.

10-05-2006, 14:55	#84
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Latest word in from Cork is there is a set trapped in the peoples republic and there is no Cork driver is willing to drive it back IE contacted for comment denied this despite staff on the ground admitting it Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 10-05-2006 at 15:07.

13-05-2006, 23:01	#87
MrX Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 585	Ah don't worry you'll see your name scrolling across the front of the train with an incorrect spelling, your credit card number displayed along with expiry date and security details above your seat. I am seriously sick to death of IE drivers / disputes. They'll kill the railways if they continue like this, people like reliability. These disputes are terrible PR, they look ridiculous and just confirm in the mind of the general public that our railways are incapable of progressing. Last edited by MrX : 13-05-2006 at 23:03.

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09-05-2006, 10:28	#81
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Given its the quietest train to Cork I think I'll take my chances with the 340 odd standard class seats, I can of course pay to upgrade to first

09-05-2006, 14:26	#82
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	I thought these trains were better equiped for seat booking than any other, with digital displays over every seat for booking information. I would hope that they've already tested that the booking system works properly and integrates with the website. Oh well. Hopefully they've just switched it off as a precaution and it will be available again soon.

11-05-2006, 09:50	#85
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	More has been revealed by the online timetable The 13:30 Cork Dublin for next week has the following note "Runs on Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday from 15 May until 20 May.", can't book a seat on that either

12-05-2006, 20:02	#86
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Now got official word of unoffical action by Cork based drivers in Cork from Monday

14-05-2006, 11:08	#88
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	So the trains will be able to get to Cork, but they won't be able to get home again? Or will they operate but only be run by Dublin drivers? This seems a very silly dispute. The Train manager one made a certain amount of sense, as there were new work practices that had to be agreed, so at least half the blame lay with IE management. However, the drivers are doing pretty much what they've always done. In one direction they're driving the same ol' 201, and as I understand, the CDE cab at the other end is pretty much a replica of the 201 controls. Or is pressing the "door close" button a major extra responsibility?

14-05-2006, 12:09	#89
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The 9am and 1:30pm return are Dublin drivers and staff so no issue Dublin based drivers for years have operated on a driver only basis, there is a small payment per hour for this which was a agreed ages ago, the Cork drivers have no come back as they voted to accept this back in 2000 As I understand it the Cork Tralee and Cork Cobh service the driver releases the doors as there is no guards door key on Irish trains

15-05-2006, 09:39	#90
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	As if I needed to report, train A202 9:00 Dublin Cork did not run and no sign of any CDE sets in Heuston

15-05-2006, 09:46	#91
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	Berely even a train to be seen when I was there. A Mk2 set for the Galway train, and a commuter train on another platform were the only trains in sight around 8:55. Mind you, I didn't check the newer platforms.

17-05-2006, 18:28	#92
Kildare Commuter New to the board Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 29	From Irish Times, Breaking News, 17 May 2006 Unions at Irish rail are to recommend the introduction of the new high-tech trains that sparked this week's rail strike. The Joint Siptu/NBRU National Locomotive Drivers Committee made the unanimous decision to back the introduction of the new Mark IV InterCity Trains, beginning May 22, after talks with management today. The trade unions plan to consult their members in the interval. The strike began on Monday after two Cork-based drivers refused to operate a new high-tech train that the company had planned to bring into service on the Cork-Dublin route. The action spread yesterday with drivers based in Athlone and Galway joining those in Dublin, Cork and Limerick who had stopped working on Monday in support of their two colleagues. The drivers returned to work today after a deal was reached with Iarnród Éireann in the early hours of this morning. A deal was reached after 14 hours of talks. The intensive efforts to resolve the dispute, assisted by industrial relations consultant Phil Flynn, continued late last night and agreement was reached at 1am. Minister for Finance Brian Cowen made his opinion on the row clear earlier today. "We are here to provide services for our citizens, for commuters, and they shouldn't be inconvenienced in the way that they were. It gives the public service a bad name, one that we shouldn't be giving to it if we respect IR [industrial relations] machinery ," he said. "I'm glad that there has been an intervention now to resolve the immediate problem, but we shouldn't see it repeated." He said he hoped the social partnership discussions that currently taking place would be successful, and that there would be clear commitments that the events of this week would not be repeated. The unofficial action lead to severe disruption to services on Monday and yesterday. There were no trains between Heuston Station in Dublin and Cork, Galway or Westport, while only one train ran between Dublin and Limerick. Only the Waterford service from Heuston was operating to a near-normal level.

17-05-2006, 23:24	#93
GavinG Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sligo Posts: 53	This whole thing is a joke. It should have been sorted ages ago. Have IE EVER heard of Project mgmt ? They have been messing around with the job for lifers for years so they should have saw this coming. How come there was no consultation BEFORE these trains ever landed on Irish shores so that these trains could enter service ASAP. We are a laughing stock again and im sick to death of these stupid disputes - Both sides are to blame. One sad thing is for sure - this wont be the last dispute on the railways. Im sure we will see more damage to the economy by these idiots in months and years to come.

19-05-2006, 17:41	#94
sponge Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 13	I saw a CDE set pulling out of Kent station today, Friday, at about 10:40 AM Power unit pointing into the tunnel. 201 at the rear in new livery. There didn't seem to be any passengers on board.I noticed that there was still tape on the steps of the carriages from the time of manufacturing.

19-05-2006, 19:52	#95
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	This all starts to fit together The weekly circular issued last week said 9am Dublin Cork and 13:30 return would be set 4002, the one parked in platform 9 Heuston. It is fairly well known that set 4002 is the only one suitable for passenger services, the above post clearly shows that set 4003 was not ready for service Iarnród Éireann withdrew seat booking on those trains, 9am Dublin Cork and 13:30 return We all assumed that the first service would be the 9am, I've been told that. There is a big question of how the 5:30 out of Cork became a CDE operated

21-05-2006, 18:15	#96
sean Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Dublin Posts: 707	What's the bets the drivers in the People's Republic will be too wasted tomorrow morning to drive the new trains?

21-05-2006, 18:36	#97
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	They won't be driving the new train for the foreseeable future

21-05-2006, 20:01	#99
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	At the moment no Cork driver is needed to drive as the 9:00 is a Dublin driver. Your next question is what on earth happened in Cork last week, thats for later

21-05-2006, 20:54	#100
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	So is the first train 9:00 from Dublin tomorrow? There was some mention of the 5:30 from Cork. The later service makes more sense to me since the 5:30 will likely carry a lot of people coming up to Dublin for the week. Apart from there being less people to see it if there were any problems, it's likely to attract a lot of media attention, and there's no point in having the media showing off how overcrowded the train is.