Pelletstown (D7/15) station PP application

James Howard · 15-02-2013, 13:22

The effect of this on the already slow running times on Maynooth / Longford / Sligo services will be to stick yet another 2 minutes onto every train. Why is another station needed so close to another two stations?

This might make sense on an electrified line but not when they are using intercity railcars to provide short-range commuter services.

Inniskeen · 15-02-2013, 14:15

So we now have two additional planned stations between Dublin and Clonsilla in addition to the little used Navan Road Parkway station.

Continually adding stations on a double track railway not only slows down services, it reduces overall track capacity and results in degraded longer distance services. Looks like the same ill-considered process that has messed up the northern and south eastern lines is in the process of being repeated on the Maynooth/Sligo line.

Additional stations don't necessarily generate net additional business and can also have the effect of increasing operational costs or reducing reliability as longer jouney times means either shorter turn-around times or more rolling stock and crew to maintain a service which for the majority of users is now slower and less attractive than previously.

joey · 16-02-2013, 15:09

get it built!!

ThomasJ · 16-02-2013, 21:10

Is there any possible argument for pellotstown replacing broombridge with the appropriate infrastructure and easy accessibilty linking the old and new station or has the plans for the new dit sports arena and luas terminus ruled this out?

Colm Moore · 17-02-2013, 03:45

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Originally Posted by ThomasJ

Is there any possible argument for pellotstown replacing broombridge with the appropriate infrastructure and easy accessibilty linking the old and new station or

If Pelletstown was built at Reilly's Bridge, that would be a fear. However, as it is a bit past Reilly's Bridge, the two stations don't really have the same catchment area. Pelletstown access is largely dictated by Ashington Avenue and Royal Canal Avenue, whereas Broombridge is dictated by Broombridge Road. The only meaningful connection between the two is the canal path - going via Ballyboggan Road adds about 500m and a large hill.

The current dul de sac nature of Ashington mean that part of it is a 3.2km walk to Broombridge, while it is only 700m as the crow flies: http://maps.google.ie/maps?saddr=Unk...a=ltm&t=m&z=15

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has the plans for the new dit sports arena and luas terminus ruled this out?

I had suggested to them that, if they wanted, they could extend Luas to Reilly's Bridge, if they were to also build a station there. It would mean breaking the current pattern of behaviour at Broombridge, but maintaining service.

drouse · 20-02-2013, 17:14

All planning documents (plans, drawings, reports, etc.) are now available on the Dublin City Council planning website-

http://www.dublincity.ie/AniteIMWebS...r1_ref=2109/13

dowlingm · 22-02-2013, 03:04

Can't imagine RPA being happy with any notion of Broombridge being replaced?

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15-02-2013, 13:22	#1
James Howard Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sligo Line Posts: 1,115	The effect of this on the already slow running times on Maynooth / Longford / Sligo services will be to stick yet another 2 minutes onto every train. Why is another station needed so close to another two stations? This might make sense on an electrified line but not when they are using intercity railcars to provide short-range commuter services.

15-02-2013, 14:15	#2
Inniskeen Really Regular Poster Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 951	So we now have two additional planned stations between Dublin and Clonsilla in addition to the little used Navan Road Parkway station. Continually adding stations on a double track railway not only slows down services, it reduces overall track capacity and results in degraded longer distance services. Looks like the same ill-considered process that has messed up the northern and south eastern lines is in the process of being repeated on the Maynooth/Sligo line. Additional stations don't necessarily generate net additional business and can also have the effect of increasing operational costs or reducing reliability as longer jouney times means either shorter turn-around times or more rolling stock and crew to maintain a service which for the majority of users is now slower and less attractive than previously.

16-02-2013, 15:09	#3
joey Regular Poster Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Coach A Posts: 188	get it built!!

16-02-2013, 21:10	#4
ThomasJ Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 2,812	Is there any possible argument for pellotstown replacing broombridge with the appropriate infrastructure and easy accessibilty linking the old and new station or has the plans for the new dit sports arena and luas terminus ruled this out?

20-02-2013, 17:14	#6
drouse New to the board Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 19	All planning documents (plans, drawings, reports, etc.) are now available on the Dublin City Council planning website- http://www.dublincity.ie/AniteIMWebS...r1_ref=2109/13

22-02-2013, 03:04	#7
dowlingm Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,371	Can't imagine RPA being happy with any notion of Broombridge being replaced?