Irish rail fleet deployment

Ireland trains · 16-03-2018, 16:07

Don't Galway have 7 car ICR trains also and so does cork (21:00 from Heuston)
It would be kind of interesting to see some more 8 car ICR trains but in 5+3 formation.
Possible for galway in the future maybe
If irish rail use the spare mkiv set on the one service to Tralee then they can create on new service or create additional capacity.
If Irish rail just used 6 mkiv trains to cork then the other one could operate one service to limerick freeing up another icr

Inniskeen · 17-03-2018, 10:06

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Originally Posted by Ireland trains

Don't Galway have 7 car ICR trains also and so does cork (21:00 from Heuston)
It would be kind of interesting to see some more 8 car ICR trains but in 5+3 formation.
Possible for galway in the future maybe
If irish rail use the spare mkiv set on the one service to Tralee then they can create on new service or create additional capacity.
If Irish rail just used 6 mkiv trains to cork then the other one could operate one service to limerick freeing up another icr

Yes 2100 Cork is a multi-unit ICR, and splits to form the 0550 & 0615 Cork to Heuston. It may well be a 7 car formation although traffic on any of these services would rarely stretch a 3 car formation.

While Mk4s are passed for the Tralee line, the full sized formation only fits the platforms at Tralee and Killarney.

Ireland trains · 21-03-2018, 20:35

7 car ICR trains are not that rare but are mainly used at peak times and would it be worth the money for irish rail to install selective door opening in their intercity fleet.

Mark Gleeson · 21-03-2018, 21:24

SDO would only be of value on the Rosslare line, Rathdrum in particular, all other routes can cope with 7 coaches which is the longest realistic set length likely to be seen.

Rosslare can take 5, but is worked as 4 so there is scope to expand capacity.

The CRR's opinion of selective door opening would be interesting as they have a zero tolerance policy, train must fit the platform.

Jamie2k9 · 21-03-2018, 23:23

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The CRR's opinion of selective door opening would be interesting as they have a zero tolerance policy, train must fit the platform.

How can they be against something when all their peers are allowing it to happen across Europe. Its not a radical concept.

Did IE not tender before for SDO on the ICRs and there was no takers or were they just considering it?

Mark Gleeson · 22-03-2018, 09:42

SDO is really a UK invention and a legacy practice which got in and is still there, not aware of it used anywhere in Europe, where the policy is passengers responsibility to check before exiting (platforms in deep Eastern Europe is just that a concept at most stations)

CRR would view SDO as introducing a new risk not before present.

Simple question is, do we need it? 7 coaches works everywhere except Rosslare where the demand doesn't justify it

Jamie2k9 · 22-03-2018, 10:31

I don't they really need it but it would be good for IE to have the option of using it (if fitted) to the fleet.

Mickey H · 30-03-2018, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

SDO is really a UK invention and a legacy practice which got in and is still there, not aware of it used anywhere in Europe

Some SDO is operated in Switzerland

21-03-2018, 21:24	#4
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	SDO would only be of value on the Rosslare line, Rathdrum in particular, all other routes can cope with 7 coaches which is the longest realistic set length likely to be seen. Rosslare can take 5, but is worked as 4 so there is scope to expand capacity. The CRR's opinion of selective door opening would be interesting as they have a zero tolerance policy, train must fit the platform. __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

22-03-2018, 09:42	#6
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	SDO is really a UK invention and a legacy practice which got in and is still there, not aware of it used anywhere in Europe, where the policy is passengers responsibility to check before exiting (platforms in deep Eastern Europe is just that a concept at most stations) CRR would view SDO as introducing a new risk not before present. Simple question is, do we need it? 7 coaches works everywhere except Rosslare where the demand doesn't justify it __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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16-03-2018, 16:07	#1
Ireland trains New to the board Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 26	Don't Galway have 7 car ICR trains also and so does cork (21:00 from Heuston) It would be kind of interesting to see some more 8 car ICR trains but in 5+3 formation. Possible for galway in the future maybe If irish rail use the spare mkiv set on the one service to Tralee then they can create on new service or create additional capacity. If Irish rail just used 6 mkiv trains to cork then the other one could operate one service to limerick freeing up another icr

21-03-2018, 20:35	#3
Ireland trains New to the board Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 26	7 car ICR trains are not that rare but are mainly used at peak times and would it be worth the money for irish rail to install selective door opening in their intercity fleet.

22-03-2018, 10:31	#7
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	I don't they really need it but it would be good for IE to have the option of using it (if fitted) to the fleet.