Gorey Train Services

Pierce · 20-11-2007, 21:53

I was reading something on this line and in 1996 from Bray to Connolly it took 20mins so it can be done. Its just you have block-ups like the Dart and the Dart in front of that Dart. Then reaching Pearse you have the Maynooth and Drogheda Commuters. Perhaps if Iarnrod Eireann were to do this it would mean travelling in the wrong track a number of times. It just gets messing best time 25 to 27mins.

KSW · 20-11-2007, 22:15

Bray right through to Dun Laoghaire that section is fine. I think from Dun Laoghaire to Dublin's Connolly station that section needs working on. There is a train that leaves Dublin's Pearse station and arrives in Dun Laoghaire 10mins later, Does anyone care to guess?

Mark Gleeson · 20-11-2007, 22:23

There is a train that manages it in 8 minutes 30 seconds, it comes at the price of a 21 minute gap between Dart services

KSW · 20-11-2007, 22:42

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

There is a train that manages it in 8 minutes 30 seconds, it comes at the price of a 21 minute gap between Dart services

You are quick !,Yes the 13:35 Connolly/Rosslare service from Pearse 13:40 and arrives Dun Laoghaire 13:49. But thats just it (I'm guessing over 200 journeys on this service I have done) the train is either 7 to 10mins late everytime on this section and catches up time along the Bray-Arklow line. I was just thinking is this possible and not just on paper. The 18:37 Rosslare service is the worst service for time always,always over 7mins late to Dun Laoghaire and magically at Rathdrum it catches up with the 10-15mins of lost time. Magic

shweeney · 21-11-2007, 14:01

yeah, to run a very fast service (and I believe Connolly - Bray in a little over 20 mins is possible - it is only 13 miles) you need a very big gap between Darts. The only way around this is to build a 3rd line (impossible) or allow bi-directional running which I think Mark has pointed out can't be done between DunL and Bray at present.

Mark Gleeson · 21-11-2007, 14:19

The fastest time for Connolly Bray is listed as 25 minutes under the 4am in the morning scenerio

Under real conditions you are looking at 30 minutes.

Bi directional signalling isn't worth the trouble since the Dun Laoghaire Dalkey section is very slow so the fast train hasn't got much chance to overtake, also there are trains going the other way.

Three tracks from Killiney into Bray would be fairly feasible allowing two trains to arrive/depart Bray at the same time.

The problem with the route is all the time savings which are feasible are all south of Arklow so the benefit is not there for most passengers

KSW · 03-12-2007, 12:51

Hate to bring this back up again but on the Rosslare/Gorey timetables it has for example from Wicklow to Rathdrum 13-14mins and it can be done with 10mins knocking of 2mins its the same along the route. Why dont they have 11mins from Wicklow-Rathdrum and etc down through the route.. It will save 12mins from Bray-Gorey making it an Hour rather than the 1hr10mins... Bray to Gorey 1hr which is good then from Bray-Connolly 27mins as you suggested giving a journey time of 1hr27mins knocking off the 1hr40 and 1hr50 times.... The potential is there already !!

20-11-2007, 22:23	#3
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	There is a train that manages it in 8 minutes 30 seconds, it comes at the price of a 21 minute gap between Dart services __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

21-11-2007, 14:19	#6
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The fastest time for Connolly Bray is listed as 25 minutes under the 4am in the morning scenerio Under real conditions you are looking at 30 minutes. Bi directional signalling isn't worth the trouble since the Dun Laoghaire Dalkey section is very slow so the fast train hasn't got much chance to overtake, also there are trains going the other way. Three tracks from Killiney into Bray would be fairly feasible allowing two trains to arrive/depart Bray at the same time. The problem with the route is all the time savings which are feasible are all south of Arklow so the benefit is not there for most passengers __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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20-11-2007, 21:53	#1
Pierce New to the board Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 26	I was reading something on this line and in 1996 from Bray to Connolly it took 20mins so it can be done. Its just you have block-ups like the Dart and the Dart in front of that Dart. Then reaching Pearse you have the Maynooth and Drogheda Commuters. Perhaps if Iarnrod Eireann were to do this it would mean travelling in the wrong track a number of times. It just gets messing best time 25 to 27mins.

20-11-2007, 22:15	#2
KSW Really Regular Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rosslare Line Posts: 600	Bray right through to Dun Laoghaire that section is fine. I think from Dun Laoghaire to Dublin's Connolly station that section needs working on. There is a train that leaves Dublin's Pearse station and arrives in Dun Laoghaire 10mins later, Does anyone care to guess?

21-11-2007, 14:01	#5
shweeney Regular Poster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 180	yeah, to run a very fast service (and I believe Connolly - Bray in a little over 20 mins is possible - it is only 13 miles) you need a very big gap between Darts. The only way around this is to build a 3rd line (impossible) or allow bi-directional running which I think Mark has pointed out can't be done between DunL and Bray at present.

03-12-2007, 12:51	#7
KSW Really Regular Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Rosslare Line Posts: 600	Hate to bring this back up again but on the Rosslare/Gorey timetables it has for example from Wicklow to Rathdrum 13-14mins and it can be done with 10mins knocking of 2mins its the same along the route. Why dont they have 11mins from Wicklow-Rathdrum and etc down through the route.. It will save 12mins from Bray-Gorey making it an Hour rather than the 1hr10mins... Bray to Gorey 1hr which is good then from Bray-Connolly 27mins as you suggested giving a journey time of 1hr27mins knocking off the 1hr40 and 1hr50 times.... The potential is there already !!