Six-car sets

Mark Gleeson · 12-07-2008, 11:11

There is a trip to the Wexford Opera each year non stop to Wexford, Mk2 coaches have done it as well

Platforms are too short at many stations, the 22k fleet is supposed to have selective door opening which gets around that. Wexford is the longest platform in the country btw

Since the Rosslare line fleet is accessible to current standards, going back to Mk3 coaches would be a very significant step back.

The Mk3 is a great coach but unless some serious refurbishment is done you really want to avoid them. They are falling apart at the moment. Air conditioning is joke, the wheels are end of life, doors are giving trouble, push pull systems suspect. Irish Rail are dumping them, we have filed protests but no change. All well and good have a comfortable seat, but when the electrics die you will be pleading for the 28 and 29k fleet

201 class locomotives are banned south of Bray on passenger services. 071 class can't do push pull. At this stage there is no one in Rosslare trained to drive either, and you would need a guard.

In the time between now and December there is no feasible alternative, if there was we would be jumping up and down about it. The 2008/9 timetable depends on there been staff to run the extra trains which don't exist

sublimity · 13-07-2008, 11:25

A few valid points but i get the vibe that your just anti-mark3 and anti-locomotive.
Dosen't have to be a push-pull. 071 plus 5 mk3 carraiges would do nicely.

ThomasJ · 13-07-2008, 17:03

Its nothing to do with the trains being used its the rosslare track. Both the mk2s and railcars have had problems on this line.

There has been more problems on locomotive hauled trains than on railcars the whole argument that the train might make things easier is rubbish.

The issue regarding trains been used on the line should not be as big ben issue as the time been taken on rail vs road and i am sure people will realise that eventually. There is a rumour going around that clockface timetables are on the way with ten minute peak and fifteen minute off peak on the dart line in next years timetable. If this is true it wont make life easier for the rosslare line. It will longer journeys

KSW · 13-07-2008, 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

going back to Mk3 coaches would be a very significant step back.

Towards the trains we have now those MK3 trains would be a significant forwards..............

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThomasJ

If this is true it wont make life easier for the rosslare line. It will longer journeys(DART)

They will have to look at something for all Rosslare/Gorey services the time distance between Bray & Connolly is ridiculous.

Why do all Rosslare services stop at DunLaogaire, Pearse & Tara Street were there people complaining about the two city stations and the DunLaoghaire station for boat connections which btw do not connect to the Rosslare trains at all

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Originally Posted by sublimity

A few valid points but i get the vibe that your just anti-mark3 and anti-locomotive.
Dosen't have to be a push-pull. 071 plus 5 mk3 carraiges would do nicely.

12-07-2008, 11:11	#1
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	There is a trip to the Wexford Opera each year non stop to Wexford, Mk2 coaches have done it as well Platforms are too short at many stations, the 22k fleet is supposed to have selective door opening which gets around that. Wexford is the longest platform in the country btw Since the Rosslare line fleet is accessible to current standards, going back to Mk3 coaches would be a very significant step back. The Mk3 is a great coach but unless some serious refurbishment is done you really want to avoid them. They are falling apart at the moment. Air conditioning is joke, the wheels are end of life, doors are giving trouble, push pull systems suspect. Irish Rail are dumping them, we have filed protests but no change. All well and good have a comfortable seat, but when the electrics die you will be pleading for the 28 and 29k fleet 201 class locomotives are banned south of Bray on passenger services. 071 class can't do push pull. At this stage there is no one in Rosslare trained to drive either, and you would need a guard. In the time between now and December there is no feasible alternative, if there was we would be jumping up and down about it. The 2008/9 timetable depends on there been staff to run the extra trains which don't exist __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

13-07-2008, 17:03	#3
ThomasJ Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Clonsilla Posts: 2,812	Its nothing to do with the trains being used its the rosslare track. Both the mk2s and railcars have had problems on this line. There has been more problems on locomotive hauled trains than on railcars the whole argument that the train might make things easier is rubbish. The issue regarding trains been used on the line should not be as big ben issue as the time been taken on rail vs road and i am sure people will realise that eventually. There is a rumour going around that clockface timetables are on the way with ten minute peak and fifteen minute off peak on the dart line in next years timetable. If this is true it wont make life easier for the rosslare line. It will longer journeys Last edited by ThomasJ : 13-07-2008 at 17:37.

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13-07-2008, 11:25	#2
sublimity Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dublin Posts: 309	A few valid points but i get the vibe that your just anti-mark3 and anti-locomotive. Dosen't have to be a push-pull. 071 plus 5 mk3 carraiges would do nicely.