Integrated Ticketing

Mark Gleeson · 14-01-2011, 12:23

The has been a lot of poor information on the integrated ticketing project, so RUI went and met with those in charge a while back

Will work on Dublin Bus, Irish Rail and Luas services initially. Bus Eireann and other operators to follow

Fare Structure (note still under discussion and may change)

It is understood that Dublin Bus services will charge a fixed flat fare regardless of journey (nightlink, airport etc special fares apply) Tag on only
Irish Rail/Luas tag on/off charge per zone/distance as per current policy
If you make several journeys within a defined time window the overal fare charged will be less than those journeys if made seperately

Capping of Fares

If in a 7 day period, (00:01 Sunday to 23:59 Saturday as per current rail ticket rules) your travel by any of the three modes exceeds the 7 day ticket for that mode a cap is applied and you pay the 7 day fare regardless of how much additional travel you make
If your travel across multiple modes exceeds the 7 day fare for the 7 day dual/triple mode ticket are capped at that fare regardless of how much additional travel you make
Single day capping should also exist

Annual Monthly

Monthly/Annual tickets for single/multiple modes will live on the smartcard
Possible to have monthly rail ticket and have epurse credit and to use that on bus and luas. If you have an expired Irish Rail annual smartcard you can actually load a monthly ticket on it today at a TVM

Status

The Dublin Bus/Luas epruse ticket is under limited trial. Larger trials to start in coming months
As with the Irish Rail smartcard project Rail Users Ireland is likely to be involved in the first user testing of the new system. Details in the members area of the forum
Two RUI committee members have successfully tagged on using the Dublin Bus/Luas smartcard

bg07 · 14-01-2011, 18:42

Some posters on another forum are implying to use the smartcard on dublin bus you will have to scan it on the drivers scanner/printer and the driver enters the value to be deducted based on a fare system similar to the current cash one. However based on the information you provided that is not true.

In my opinion a flat fair for the smartcard is far superior as it would increase passenger loading significantly as there would be no need to interact with the driver. Is the fare system finalised yet? Surely it must be agreed at this stage.

Mark Gleeson · 14-01-2011, 20:40

The biggest unknown is Dublin Bus, a flat fare structure is what is planned for. How that works when you hit the outer suburban fares on the bus may result in need to do a specific charge on the card.

The Dublin system is more advanced than London as it does multi day capping

I wouldn't worry about a lot of the comments you read about the ITS project, unlike others we have actually held an ITS ticket in our hand

The Luas smartcard readers are fully ITS enabled currently

24Green · 18-01-2011, 01:14

Thanks! Its great to see some decent real info on the project. Two more questions for you; has a name or any branding been decided for ITS and any updated on the expected launch?

Mark Gleeson · 18-01-2011, 09:28

As it stands today, the Luas system is fully ITS enabled. In the next few months a number of Dublin Bus routes will be enabled and then all of Dublin Bus. Irish Rail will follow on from that

Rail Users Ireland members will probably get a chance to try out the smartcard before it goes live. We had some fun with Irish Rail's system http://www.railusers.ie/news/news.ph...2010&no=1.html

No idea as to the name yet, that falls under the National Transport Authorities remit to create a single brand for transport in Dublin. I understand a logo has been chosen, have yet to see it.

24Green · 18-01-2011, 12:39

I'll be looking forward to the early review of the system so! I had become curious of the branding after spotting the "Transport for Ireland" logo that is stuck to the DB RTPI signs.

Mark Gleeson · 18-01-2011, 13:46

One of the problems in the past was the logo issue. The CIE group wanted its companies logos on the back. The Transport 21 progress in motion logo will be on the back. The front is where the ITS logo will be

I might have held a ITS card in my hard but it was a testing blank so nothing printed on it.

The biggest unknown is Dublin Bus fares.

24Green · 07-02-2011, 18:35

Any further updates? With the supposed launch at Easter its fairly quiet.

Mark Gleeson · 07-02-2011, 19:04

It won't be available at Easter

Probably close to end of testing of the Luas+Bus ticket by then on a handful of routes, but Irish Rail won't be onboard until the end of the Summer.Its being done on a staged basis

24Green · 07-02-2011, 19:14

I mistakenly thought the first stage was launching then. That's disappointing, especially with the fare increasing. Any info on the expected launch timetable?

bg07 · 09-02-2011, 15:23

Is anyone here involved in the testing of the bus/luas smartcard? The RPA website claims that customers are involved in live testing that is currently underway.

Link to RPA site

Mark Gleeson · 09-02-2011, 15:32

The current tests are limited to only a few bus routes. I have used a bus/luas iTS card briefly last year

We are waiting for the next phase when Irish Rail joins

Mark Gleeson · 10-02-2011, 10:21

I've now got a list of bus routes mainly northside coast + airport + 747/748 for current tests

Mark Gleeson · 16-02-2011, 14:08

I can finally confirm that integrated ticketing tests with non RPA staff are ongoing

These tests are limited to a number of bus routes and the Luas

24Green · 16-02-2011, 17:50

Are these epurse tests or annual smart card?

Mark Gleeson · 16-02-2011, 18:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by 24Green

Are these epurse tests or annual smart card?

Annual

For various reasons I can't give much information. The members area has further details

24Green · 14-03-2011, 19:24

Any more developments on that card front? I hear Leo Varadkar has said he wants it in action by the end of the year! Don't tell me its been pushed back from later summer.

Mark Gleeson · 14-03-2011, 19:31

I have one right now and it works and it will be in place on Dublin Bus + Luas by start Summer and on Irish Rail by start Autumn and Bus Eireann in early 2012

Various testing phases to complete and the next one starts first week of April, epurse trials

24Green · 14-03-2011, 21:32

Cheers Mark! Sounds like its still on track so. Is your card branded yet?

Mark Gleeson · 15-03-2011, 09:40

I'm not allowed say either way. Nothing is final yet

14-01-2011, 12:23	#1
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Integrated Ticketing The has been a lot of poor information on the integrated ticketing project, so RUI went and met with those in charge a while back Will work on Dublin Bus, Irish Rail and Luas services initially. Bus Eireann and other operators to follow Fare Structure (note still under discussion and may change) It is understood that Dublin Bus services will charge a fixed flat fare regardless of journey (nightlink, airport etc special fares apply) Tag on only Irish Rail/Luas tag on/off charge per zone/distance as per current policy If you make several journeys within a defined time window the overal fare charged will be less than those journeys if made seperately Capping of Fares If in a 7 day period, (00:01 Sunday to 23:59 Saturday as per current rail ticket rules) your travel by any of the three modes exceeds the 7 day ticket for that mode a cap is applied and you pay the 7 day fare regardless of how much additional travel you make If your travel across multiple modes exceeds the 7 day fare for the 7 day dual/triple mode ticket are capped at that fare regardless of how much additional travel you make Single day capping should also exist Annual Monthly Monthly/Annual tickets for single/multiple modes will live on the smartcard Possible to have monthly rail ticket and have epurse credit and to use that on bus and luas. If you have an expired Irish Rail annual smartcard you can actually load a monthly ticket on it today at a TVM Status The Dublin Bus/Luas epruse ticket is under limited trial. Larger trials to start in coming months As with the Irish Rail smartcard project Rail Users Ireland is likely to be involved in the first user testing of the new system. Details in the members area of the forum Two RUI committee members have successfully tagged on using the Dublin Bus/Luas smartcard __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

14-01-2011, 20:40	#3
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The biggest unknown is Dublin Bus, a flat fare structure is what is planned for. How that works when you hit the outer suburban fares on the bus may result in need to do a specific charge on the card. The Dublin system is more advanced than London as it does multi day capping I wouldn't worry about a lot of the comments you read about the ITS project, unlike others we have actually held an ITS ticket in our hand The Luas smartcard readers are fully ITS enabled currently __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 14-01-2011 at 20:46.

18-01-2011, 09:28	#5
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	As it stands today, the Luas system is fully ITS enabled. In the next few months a number of Dublin Bus routes will be enabled and then all of Dublin Bus. Irish Rail will follow on from that Rail Users Ireland members will probably get a chance to try out the smartcard before it goes live. We had some fun with Irish Rail's system http://www.railusers.ie/news/news.ph...2010&no=1.html No idea as to the name yet, that falls under the National Transport Authorities remit to create a single brand for transport in Dublin. I understand a logo has been chosen, have yet to see it. __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

18-01-2011, 13:46	#7
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	One of the problems in the past was the logo issue. The CIE group wanted its companies logos on the back. The Transport 21 progress in motion logo will be on the back. The front is where the ITS logo will be I might have held a ITS card in my hard but it was a testing blank so nothing printed on it. The biggest unknown is Dublin Bus fares. __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

07-02-2011, 19:04	#9
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	It won't be available at Easter Probably close to end of testing of the Luas+Bus ticket by then on a handful of routes, but Irish Rail won't be onboard until the end of the Summer.Its being done on a staged basis __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

14-01-2011, 18:42	#2
bg07 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 46	Some posters on another forum are implying to use the smartcard on dublin bus you will have to scan it on the drivers scanner/printer and the driver enters the value to be deducted based on a fare system similar to the current cash one. However based on the information you provided that is not true. In my opinion a flat fair for the smartcard is far superior as it would increase passenger loading significantly as there would be no need to interact with the driver. Is the fare system finalised yet? Surely it must be agreed at this stage.

18-01-2011, 01:14	#4
24Green Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 37	Thanks! Its great to see some decent real info on the project. Two more questions for you; has a name or any branding been decided for ITS and any updated on the expected launch?

18-01-2011, 12:39	#6
24Green Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 37	I'll be looking forward to the early review of the system so! I had become curious of the branding after spotting the "Transport for Ireland" logo that is stuck to the DB RTPI signs.

07-02-2011, 18:35	#8
24Green Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 37	Any further updates? With the supposed launch at Easter its fairly quiet.

07-02-2011, 19:14	#10
24Green Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 37	I mistakenly thought the first stage was launching then. That's disappointing, especially with the fare increasing. Any info on the expected launch timetable?

09-02-2011, 15:23	#11
bg07 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 46	Is anyone here involved in the testing of the bus/luas smartcard? The RPA website claims that customers are involved in live testing that is currently underway. Link to RPA site

09-02-2011, 15:32	#12
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	The current tests are limited to only a few bus routes. I have used a bus/luas iTS card briefly last year We are waiting for the next phase when Irish Rail joins __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

10-02-2011, 10:21	#13
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	I've now got a list of bus routes mainly northside coast + airport + 747/748 for current tests __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

16-02-2011, 14:08	#14
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	I can finally confirm that integrated ticketing tests with non RPA staff are ongoing These tests are limited to a number of bus routes and the Luas __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

16-02-2011, 17:50	#15
24Green Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 37	Are these epurse tests or annual smart card?

14-03-2011, 19:24	#17
24Green Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 37	Any more developments on that card front? I hear Leo Varadkar has said he wants it in action by the end of the year! Don't tell me its been pushed back from later summer.

14-03-2011, 19:31	#18
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	I have one right now and it works and it will be in place on Dublin Bus + Luas by start Summer and on Irish Rail by start Autumn and Bus Eireann in early 2012 Various testing phases to complete and the next one starts first week of April, epurse trials __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

14-03-2011, 21:32	#19
24Green Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 37	Cheers Mark! Sounds like its still on track so. Is your card branded yet?

15-03-2011, 09:40	#20
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	I'm not allowed say either way. Nothing is final yet __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know

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