[article] Western rail corridor passengers fall short of anticipated numbers

Traincustomer · 14-06-2011, 18:56

The piece regarding the option for a thrice daily service on the South Wexford having been cost neutral is very interesting as I read in a publication that significant costs would attach their provision. I'm inclined to believe though that they would indeed have been cost neutral (as per Mark's post).

Jamie2k9 · 14-06-2011, 22:38

It would be ideal if the train would run from Galway to Waterford. People would use the service.

Last year there was an 800% increase in the amount of passengers flying between Waterford and Galway compared to the year before.

comcor · 14-06-2011, 23:40

I guess a new platform would be required at Limerick Junction to make that feasible.

That said, a platform like that could really help with general connectivity on the Limerick-Waterford line.

And yet it's still a much lower priority than a 2nd platform on the Dublin-Cork line...

Mark Gleeson · 15-06-2011, 07:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

It would be ideal if the train would run from Galway to Waterford. People would use the service.

Last year there was an 800% increase in the amount of passengers flying between Waterford and Galway compared to the year before.

Would be no problem to do, but Irish Rail has ignored requests for this

800% of a very small number is still a small number and only by an accident of scheduling of an aer arann flight out of Galway does the option even exist

Thomas Ralph · 15-06-2011, 08:24

Indeed; it was more due to the fact that Aer Arann decided to combine some of its Galway-Luton and Waterford-Luton services by going Galway-Waterford-Luton instead (and v/v) that generated this. I think it's a red herring.

Colm Moore · 15-06-2011, 14:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traincustomer

The piece regarding the option for a thrice daily service on the South Wexford having been cost neutral is very interesting as I read in a publication that significant costs would attach their provision. I'm inclined to believe though that they would indeed have been cost neutral (as per Mark's post).

Most of the costs of South Wexford were fixed costs. To operate the services, about 10 level crossing keepers were needed, whether there was 1 or 10 trains a day.

Jack O'Neill · 15-06-2011, 14:50

Corrections and Clarifications

An Irishman's Diary - An article in the edition of June 10th, concerning the western rail corridor, said that the number of passengers has fallen short of that forecast in the business case.

However, the business case forecasts were based on 14 trains a day while there are only 10 trains a day currently. The service was described as Ennis-Athenry but these are towns on the route. The service extends from Galway to Limerick.

Are ye right there Madam, are ye right!

Thomas J Stamp · 16-06-2011, 09:22

The IE press release was a great case of massaging the figures, and more importantly, hiding in plain sight. It expressly stated that its figures included Athenry-Galway and Limerick-Ennis, both of which, of course, existed before the WRC Phase one. It was a linguistic sleight of hand that RUI picked up just as the WRC was to include suddenly Limerick-Ennis in the term WRC. Clever. Question remains as to just why IE would put out a PR that would be so misleading in the first place?

ACustomer · 16-06-2011, 09:29

Thomas: you ask:"Question remains as to just why IE would put out a PR that would be so misleading in the first place?"

In the PR game, misleading statements are the rule rather than the exception, especially in the CIE group.

Thomas J Stamp · 16-06-2011, 09:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACustomer

Thomas: you ask:"Question remains as to just why IE would put out a PR that would be so misleading in the first place?"

In the PR game, misleading statements are the rule rather than the exception, especially in the CIE group.

i dont think it was done for the benefit of IE. I dont believe they were ever madly in love with the project in the first place. Just good to see that the political string pulling has survived the FG/Labour Coup.

dowlingm · 18-06-2011, 03:10

Is 2009 a good comparison year? If Broadmeadow hadn't happened we'd probably see zero growth year/year or even decline in 2010.

15-06-2011, 14:50	#7
Jack O'Neill Regular Poster Join Date: May 2008 Location: Mornington Crescent Posts: 81	Corrections and Clarifications - Irish Times today Corrections and Clarifications An Irishman's Diary - An article in the edition of June 10th, concerning the western rail corridor, said that the number of passengers has fallen short of that forecast in the business case. However, the business case forecasts were based on 14 trains a day while there are only 10 trains a day currently. The service was described as Ennis-Athenry but these are towns on the route. The service extends from Galway to Limerick. Are ye right there Madam, are ye right!

16-06-2011, 09:22	#8
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	The IE press release was a great case of massaging the figures, and more importantly, hiding in plain sight. It expressly stated that its figures included Athenry-Galway and Limerick-Ennis, both of which, of course, existed before the WRC Phase one. It was a linguistic sleight of hand that RUI picked up just as the WRC was to include suddenly Limerick-Ennis in the term WRC. Clever. Question remains as to just why IE would put out a PR that would be so misleading in the first place? __________________ We are the passengers

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14-06-2011, 18:56	#1
Traincustomer Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: ar an traein Posts: 600	The piece regarding the option for a thrice daily service on the South Wexford having been cost neutral is very interesting as I read in a publication that significant costs would attach their provision. I'm inclined to believe though that they would indeed have been cost neutral (as per Mark's post).

14-06-2011, 22:38	#2
Jamie2k9 Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 2,146	It would be ideal if the train would run from Galway to Waterford. People would use the service. Last year there was an 800% increase in the amount of passengers flying between Waterford and Galway compared to the year before.

14-06-2011, 23:40	#3
comcor Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cork-Dublin, Cork Commuter and occasionally DART and Dublin-Wexford Posts: 855	I guess a new platform would be required at Limerick Junction to make that feasible. That said, a platform like that could really help with general connectivity on the Limerick-Waterford line. And yet it's still a much lower priority than a 2nd platform on the Dublin-Cork line...

15-06-2011, 08:24	#5
Thomas Ralph IT Officer Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Greenwich, London Posts: 1,860	Indeed; it was more due to the fact that Aer Arann decided to combine some of its Galway-Luton and Waterford-Luton services by going Galway-Waterford-Luton instead (and v/v) that generated this. I think it's a red herring.

16-06-2011, 09:29	#9
ACustomer Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767	Thomas: you ask:"Question remains as to just why IE would put out a PR that would be so misleading in the first place?" In the PR game, misleading statements are the rule rather than the exception, especially in the CIE group.

18-06-2011, 03:10	#11
dowlingm Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,371	Is 2009 a good comparison year? If Broadmeadow hadn't happened we'd probably see zero growth year/year or even decline in 2010.