Map - Dublin Area Train and Tram Services

[comcor]

You should try the Cork Bus Network Map for general rubbishness.

- Three missing routes - 201, 202A, 220X (the 202A runs every 20 mins, so it is not an insignificant route)
- One route that has an archaic routing - 203
- Four that have inaccurate routings - 202, 216, 220 and 226A
- A couple of stops that are featured, but don't have all the route lines going through them - Thomas Davis St is shown on the 207A, but not the 203 or 215. Rochestown Road is shown on the 223 and not the 216. In the case of the first of these, it looks like the nearest the 203 and 215 get is about 4km away.

And it could honestly be worse than that as I don't know what some of the routes do out in the suburbs.

Is there any way to give feedback as it is quite a shoddy job?

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by comcor

Is there any way to give feedback as it is quite a shoddy job?

Many of the maps are on their first editions, so that comment might be harsh. A large part of the problem is the indifference of the operators.

I had asked for the rail map to be created, seeing as you would barely know that two rail networks exist looking at Irish Rail and Luas maps. I'm compiling a list of issues.

Otherwise info@nationaltransport.ie for general issues or passengerinfo@nationaltransport.ie for journey planner issues.

[James Howard]

You can see why there is resistance towards producing overall maps. There is absurd duplication between a lot of the train and tram services and the bus routes. Some of the best bus routes in the city are serving areas already well served by rail.

This is a huge waste of resources - a much better overall service could be provided by using the resources on frequent reliable shuttle services to get people to the trams and trains.

You have the same thing on a national scale with Bus Eireann duplicating Irish Rail services. Competition is a fine thing but not when it's between two companies in the same group.

[berneyarms]

Originally Posted by James Howard

You can see why there is resistance towards producing overall maps. There is absurd duplication between a lot of the train and tram services and the bus routes. Some of the best bus routes in the city are serving areas already well served by rail.

This is a huge waste of resources - a much better overall service could be provided by using the resources on frequent reliable shuttle services to get people to the trams and trains.

You have the same thing on a national scale with Bus Eireann duplicating Irish Rail services. Competition is a fine thing but not when it's between two companies in the same group.

Would you care to indicate which routes you're referring to?

[Jamie2k9]

You can see why there is resistance towards producing overall maps. There is absurd duplication between a lot of the train and tram services and the bus routes. Some of the best bus routes in the city are serving areas already well served by rail.

This is a huge waste of resources - a much better overall service could be provided by using the resources on frequent reliable shuttle services to get people to the trams and trains.

You have the same thing on a national scale with Bus Eireann duplicating Irish Rail services. Competition is a fine thing but not when it's between two companies in the same group.

As a transport user I couldn't think of anything worse than a shuttle to a station and then a train. Take way longer than existing bus service and put people back in cars. Yes there is some scope but nothing major.

As for BE, I don't really think they are duplicating that much, aside from the big points on a route they are not and given the pricing difference there will always be a market for a bus along at rain corridor.

BE problems go much deeper to the route of the problems.

[Colm Moore]

Have a read of the attached and I'll add any comments and send it on during the week.

[noelfirl]

I find it quite astonishing that more than 2 years ago the NTA/TFI commissioned an agency to design a comprehensive set of guidelines for the creation of public transport information that would be coherent and unified across various public transport providers:

http://www.transportforireland.ie/transitData/guidelines/Design%20guidelines%20for%20the%20Creation%20of%20 Public%20Transport%20Information_v1.pdf (warning, large PDF)

...and yet, TFI itself is still commissioning and generating maps that don't even come close to complying with these guidelines in any shape or form. Wonderful use of money, that.

[grainne whale]

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

As a transport user I couldn't think of anything worse than a shuttle to a station and then a train. Take way longer than existing bus service and put people back in cars. Yes there is some scope but nothing major.

As for BE, I don't really think they are duplicating that much, aside from the big points on a route they are not and given the pricing difference there will always be a market for a bus along at rain corridor.

BE problems go much deeper to the route of the problems.

Actually I use a shuttlebus to and from Hazelhatch station. I would not be bothered driving - it saves me a fortune in petrol and carparking charges. I also arrived relaxed for work in the mornings, rather than frazzeled if I drove to work, or arrived in an over crowded bus.

[Jamie2k9]

Actually I use a shuttlebus to and from Hazelhatch station. I would not be bothered driving - it saves me a fortune in petrol and carparking charges. I also arrived relaxed for work in the mornings, rather than frazzeled if I drove to work, or arrived in an over crowded bus.

It works there but I don't see it working across the board. Train/bus passengers are very different people.

Anyway didn't you give up getting the train or have they tempted you to stay...