Proposals for extra train services in North Tipperary...

dowlingm · 12-02-2012, 21:48

What is the equipment for the 0833 usually? Would it work to join an empty three car at Portlaoise to the incoming three set ex Ballybrophy?

After reading ACustomer's post I did have a thought that one option would be to make the service "up only" - a 22K dispatched ex Limerick via Ballybrophy but returned to Limerick via Limerick Junction with passengers for Nenagh transferring from a Cork/Tralee down service in the evenings to a "standard" Limerick-Ballybrophy shuttle service. But then it occurred to me that this train would still require someone to drive back the ETS staff if it "escaped" as did the GAA special that time. It's just a botch job, isn't it? Why is it necessary that passengers ex Nenagh get a free run when passengers from M3 Parkway must now shiver at Clonsilla in the hope the incoming Maynooth service won't be jammed?

Kilocharlie · 12-02-2012, 22:18

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Originally Posted by dowlingm

What is the equipment for the 0833 usually? Would it work to join an empty three car at Portlaoise to the incoming three set ex Ballybrophy?

The 0833 arrival is the 0720 from Portaoise and is a 6-piece or 2x3. The 0515 ex Westport, howeve, is a 3 car.

Inniskeen · 12-02-2012, 23:23

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Originally Posted by dowlingm

What is the equipment for the 0833 usually? Would it work to join an empty three car at Portlaoise to the incoming three set ex Ballybrophy?

After reading ACustomer's post I did have a thought that one option would be to make the service "up only" - a 22K dispatched ex Limerick via Ballybrophy but returned to Limerick via Limerick Junction with passengers for Nenagh transferring from a Cork/Tralee down service in the evenings to a "standard" Limerick-Ballybrophy shuttle service. But then it occurred to me that this train would still require someone to drive back the ETS staff if it "escaped" as did the GAA special that time. It's just a botch job, isn't it? Why is it necessary that passengers ex Nenagh get a free run when passengers from M3 Parkway must now shiver at Clonsilla in the hope the incoming Maynooth service won't be jammed?

Where is this stuff about driving ETS staffs about coming from ? There is a standard ETS instrument at Ballybrophy. The main difference from a normal ETS controlled section is that the staff is not normally placed in the instruments at either Roscrea or Ballybrophy except as required to faciltate the release of a staff at Ballybrophy for a train from the mainline to the branch or to release a staff at Roscrea after a train has left the branch. Operation of the various connections on the branch and between the branch and the mainline requires the ETS token to be at Ballybrophy.

Destructix · 13-02-2012, 02:12

I would like to see services on this line but hope no more money is wasted on services if nobody is going to use it. At the moment this just sounds like they are giving CPR to a corpse and Iarnród Éireann have learned nothing from the WRC project.

dowlingm · 13-02-2012, 05:00

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Originally Posted by Inniskeen

Where is this stuff about driving ETS staffs about coming from ? There is a standard ETS instrument at Ballybrophy. The main difference from a normal ETS controlled section is that the staff is not normally placed in the instruments at either Roscrea or Ballybrophy except as required to faciltate the release of a staff at Ballybrophy for a train from the mainline to the branch or to release a staff at Roscrea after a train has left the branch. Operation of the various connections on the branch and between the branch and the mainline requires the ETS token to be at Ballybrophy.

You may recall this post, which is what I was basing it on:
http://www.railusers.ie/forum/showpo...71&postcount=7
There is some (dated) discussion along similar lines here:
http://irishrailwaynews.multiply.com...journal%2Fitem

Mark Gleeson · 13-02-2012, 07:45

In simple terms as there is no return trip proposed, the ETS staff is going to have to be brought back sometime. Its unclear if its a normal ETS instrument or a simple one as per Nenagh

The arrangements in Ballybrophy are not designed for daily use and appear to require a additional member of staff to operate a local signalling panel. Limerick Dublin is reasonably easy, Dublin Limerick is a nightmare

Regardless the journey Nenagh Ballybrophy is painful to say the least and nothing is going to change there, be fun to see how quickly the track deteriorates as an ICR is a lot heavier than a 2700.

No online booking either...

Inniskeen · 13-02-2012, 08:12

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Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

In simple terms as there is no return trip proposed, the ETS staff is going to have to be brought back sometime. Its unclear if its a normal ETS instrument or a simple one as per Nenagh

The arrangements in Ballybrophy are not designed for daily use and appear to require a additional member of staff to operate a local signalling panel. Limerick Dublin is reasonably easy, Dublin Limerick is a nightmare

Regardless the journey Nenagh Ballybrophy is painful to say the least and nothing is going to change there, be fun to see how quickly the track deteriorates as an ICR is a lot heavier than a 2700.

No online booking either...

Yes I also understand there will be no direct evening service, but there will be additional services and improved connections.

As I said in my previous post there is signalling equipment at Ballybrophy jointly controlling (with CTC) the connection between the mainline and the branch. Amongst other controls this equipment requires the Ballybrophy/Roscrea ETS staff to be at Ballybrophy. The signalling equipment will presumeably be operated by the on-duty station staff.

This urban myth about there being some issue in returning the ETS staff (to Roscrea) is just that. Once the through service has left the branch and the signals and points are normalised, the ETS staff is simply popped in the instrument at Ballybrophy putting the ETS circuit in phase and allowing the signalman at Roscrea withdraw a staff. Job done, everything back to normal, sky still in place.

The setup at Nenagh in terms of ETS is different. The signals and points at Nenagh are controlled by a local groundframe, released by the Birdhill/Roscrea ETS staff. There is a special uni directional token to facilitate the Nenagh/Limerick commuter service.

comcor · 13-02-2012, 08:44

Why no online booking?

I can understand with commuter services, but this is clearly not a commuter service.

It should be no difference from and other ICR leaving Limerick and going to Dublin.

Destructix · 13-02-2012, 10:34

No TVM in Castleconnell Birdhill Nenagh Cloughjordan Roscrea some these stations can't get broadband (doubt machines like that would work on dial up) so probably never will be able to facilitate it. During the booking period for the GAA special you could buy tickets online which were collected in Thurles by Iarnród Éireann staff and brought to Nenagh that morning.

13-02-2012, 07:45	#6
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	In simple terms as there is no return trip proposed, the ETS staff is going to have to be brought back sometime. Its unclear if its a normal ETS instrument or a simple one as per Nenagh The arrangements in Ballybrophy are not designed for daily use and appear to require a additional member of staff to operate a local signalling panel. Limerick Dublin is reasonably easy, Dublin Limerick is a nightmare Regardless the journey Nenagh Ballybrophy is painful to say the least and nothing is going to change there, be fun to see how quickly the track deteriorates as an ICR is a lot heavier than a 2700. No online booking either... __________________ Unhappy with new timetable - let us know Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 13-02-2012 at 07:49.

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12-02-2012, 21:48	#1
dowlingm Really Really Regluar Poster Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,371	What is the equipment for the 0833 usually? Would it work to join an empty three car at Portlaoise to the incoming three set ex Ballybrophy? After reading ACustomer's post I did have a thought that one option would be to make the service "up only" - a 22K dispatched ex Limerick via Ballybrophy but returned to Limerick via Limerick Junction with passengers for Nenagh transferring from a Cork/Tralee down service in the evenings to a "standard" Limerick-Ballybrophy shuttle service. But then it occurred to me that this train would still require someone to drive back the ETS staff if it "escaped" as did the GAA special that time. It's just a botch job, isn't it? Why is it necessary that passengers ex Nenagh get a free run when passengers from M3 Parkway must now shiver at Clonsilla in the hope the incoming Maynooth service won't be jammed?

13-02-2012, 02:12	#4
Destructix Really Regular Poster Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: North Tipperary Posts: 258	I would like to see services on this line but hope no more money is wasted on services if nobody is going to use it. At the moment this just sounds like they are giving CPR to a corpse and Iarnród Éireann have learned nothing from the WRC project.

13-02-2012, 08:44	#8
comcor Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Cork-Dublin, Cork Commuter and occasionally DART and Dublin-Wexford Posts: 855	Why no online booking? I can understand with commuter services, but this is clearly not a commuter service. It should be no difference from and other ICR leaving Limerick and going to Dublin.

13-02-2012, 10:34	#9
Destructix Really Regular Poster Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: North Tipperary Posts: 258	No TVM in Castleconnell Birdhill Nenagh Cloughjordan Roscrea some these stations can't get broadband (doubt machines like that would work on dial up) so probably never will be able to facilitate it. During the booking period for the GAA special you could buy tickets online which were collected in Thurles by Iarnród Éireann staff and brought to Nenagh that morning.