Map - Dublin Area Train and Tram Services

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by comcor

Is there any way to give feedback as it is quite a shoddy job?

Many of the maps are on their first editions, so that comment might be harsh. A large part of the problem is the indifference of the operators.

I had asked for the rail map to be created, seeing as you would barely know that two rail networks exist looking at Irish Rail and Luas maps. I'm compiling a list of issues.

Otherwise info@nationaltransport.ie for general issues or passengerinfo@nationaltransport.ie for journey planner issues.

[James Howard]

You can see why there is resistance towards producing overall maps. There is absurd duplication between a lot of the train and tram services and the bus routes. Some of the best bus routes in the city are serving areas already well served by rail.

This is a huge waste of resources - a much better overall service could be provided by using the resources on frequent reliable shuttle services to get people to the trams and trains.

You have the same thing on a national scale with Bus Eireann duplicating Irish Rail services. Competition is a fine thing but not when it's between two companies in the same group.

[berneyarms]

Originally Posted by James Howard

You can see why there is resistance towards producing overall maps. There is absurd duplication between a lot of the train and tram services and the bus routes. Some of the best bus routes in the city are serving areas already well served by rail.

This is a huge waste of resources - a much better overall service could be provided by using the resources on frequent reliable shuttle services to get people to the trams and trains.

You have the same thing on a national scale with Bus Eireann duplicating Irish Rail services. Competition is a fine thing but not when it's between two companies in the same group.

Would you care to indicate which routes you're referring to?

[Jamie2k9]

You can see why there is resistance towards producing overall maps. There is absurd duplication between a lot of the train and tram services and the bus routes. Some of the best bus routes in the city are serving areas already well served by rail.

This is a huge waste of resources - a much better overall service could be provided by using the resources on frequent reliable shuttle services to get people to the trams and trains.

You have the same thing on a national scale with Bus Eireann duplicating Irish Rail services. Competition is a fine thing but not when it's between two companies in the same group.

As a transport user I couldn't think of anything worse than a shuttle to a station and then a train. Take way longer than existing bus service and put people back in cars. Yes there is some scope but nothing major.

As for BE, I don't really think they are duplicating that much, aside from the big points on a route they are not and given the pricing difference there will always be a market for a bus along at rain corridor.

BE problems go much deeper to the route of the problems.

[Colm Moore]

Have a read of the attached and I'll add any comments and send it on during the week.

[noelfirl]

I find it quite astonishing that more than 2 years ago the NTA/TFI commissioned an agency to design a comprehensive set of guidelines for the creation of public transport information that would be coherent and unified across various public transport providers:

http://www.transportforireland.ie/transitData/guidelines/Design%20guidelines%20for%20the%20Creation%20of%20 Public%20Transport%20Information_v1.pdf (warning, large PDF)

...and yet, TFI itself is still commissioning and generating maps that don't even come close to complying with these guidelines in any shape or form. Wonderful use of money, that.

[Colm Moore]

Originally Posted by noelfirl

...and yet, TFI itself is still commissioning and generating maps that don't even come close to complying with these guidelines in any shape or form. Wonderful use of money, that.

Funding.

I took part if a project for Cork City bus stops, where the signs generally do comply.

[grainne whale]

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

As a transport user I couldn't think of anything worse than a shuttle to a station and then a train. Take way longer than existing bus service and put people back in cars. Yes there is some scope but nothing major.

As for BE, I don't really think they are duplicating that much, aside from the big points on a route they are not and given the pricing difference there will always be a market for a bus along at rain corridor.

BE problems go much deeper to the route of the problems.

Actually I use a shuttlebus to and from Hazelhatch station. I would not be bothered driving - it saves me a fortune in petrol and carparking charges. I also arrived relaxed for work in the mornings, rather than frazzeled if I drove to work, or arrived in an over crowded bus.

[Jamie2k9]

Actually I use a shuttlebus to and from Hazelhatch station. I would not be bothered driving - it saves me a fortune in petrol and carparking charges. I also arrived relaxed for work in the mornings, rather than frazzeled if I drove to work, or arrived in an over crowded bus.

It works there but I don't see it working across the board. Train/bus passengers are very different people.

Anyway didn't you give up getting the train or have they tempted you to stay...

[D08Dave]

Are these maps going to be displayed on trains, trams and at stations?

The current IE maps on Dublin services and at stations are awful and seem to be designed in a dimension to fit the advertising poster frames on trains. Surely these maps could be printed and put on the walls within carriages or on the glass panels that separate the standing and seating areas on Dart and Commuter trains

Also, someone mentioned the design guidelines that TFI have published for provision of public transport information. When are we going to see some of this actually displayed at stations? The lack of consistency in information across the Greater Dublin transport system is ridiculous

[grainne whale]

Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

It works there but I don't see it working across the board. Train/bus passengers are very different people.

Anyway didn't you give up getting the train or have they tempted you to stay...

I had to make my mind up - whether I got 67X straight to the office door (very over crowded) or stay on the train and have my 20min walk to the office each morning (40mins) each day - I chose the healthier option.