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However, and this is the important bit - IE are very happy to use the likes of the NRG and ourselves to provide input/publicity/awareness but nothing whatsoever will get them to change the timetable as it suits managment and unions down to a tee. The passenger, as usual, is not actually relevent. |
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04-04-2013, 18:11 | #2 | |
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05-04-2013, 10:45 | #3 | ||
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It's never really going to be a huge amount of use for people travelling to Dublin, but can provide a viable local commuting option. I'm not sure the Roscrea-Ballybrophy section even needs services, but it's a short enough distance that Ballybrophy may as well be the terminus. Once you have the regular service, you can then look at other supporting features like a P&R station near Lisnagry or Annacotty Business Park or longer term planning by allowing increased housing density near Castleconnell and Birdhill stations (we won't stay in a recession forever), but when people just expect the line to close, who will make those plans. |
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Very few if any visitors come to North Tipperary for tourism by rail even on the mainline. If tourism can magically save falling passenger numbers on the Nenagh line then why doesn't Iarnród Éireann open a train station in Holycross which gets over 250,000 visitors per year the most visited attraction in North Tipperary and reopen the Gooldscross-Cashel line. I think the NRP should focus on Limerick. Forget about Dublin and tourism heritage railways and just ask for a better commuter service between Roscrea and Limerick. You can't compete with Bus Éireann/Kavanaghs and the motorway when it comes to Dublin. Mothball it north of Roscrea and that will save a couple of grand each year in maintenance costs to use on other parts south of Roscrea-Limerick to improve journey times then the service could compete with the motorway and bus services. |
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05-04-2013, 21:10 | #5 |
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I presume IE are sensible enough to know that a proper timetable might save the line, whereas continuation of the current would most likely mean it would go the same way as Wexford to Waterford. How can the possibility of this alternative in any way suit management and unions?
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06-04-2013, 04:00 | #6 |
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Cork-Cobh isn't REALLY like Limerick-Nenagh though.
1. The road from Cobh to the N25 isn't great whereas the road alternatives to Nenagh are superior end to end. 2. There's Fota 3. There's cruise ship traffic. 4. Modern signalling and double track so no issues around gatekeeper rosters and far more flexible timetabling possible. |
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I doubt cruise and Fota traffic contributes more than 5% of the traffic on the line. I'll grant you the bit about the road; I believe that by a considerable margin Cobh is the largest town not on the national road network.
Really, the line should be more like Midleton, which doesn't have the tourist traffic, is single track and has a dual-carriageway into Cork, but we don't have a baseline for numbers there. Clearly the biggest difference is that 60,000 people are trying to get into Cork City Centre every day for work or education (there's also a substantial number who go in for shopping, business and entertainment, but these are one off trips); Limerick gets less than half that number. Then again, you could have half Cobh's 24 services a day and still have something that could make people happy. I'm also serious about incorporating P&R. Near the junction of the old Dublin Road and the current M7 would be a great location. |
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There are 44 public road level crossings between Belfast and Derry !
Almost all public road level crossings are either automated (AHBs, AHBDs), centrally controlled/monitored or controlled from an adjacent signal box. There is only one location with dedicated crossing keepers and this is a temporary arrangement which commenced about two weks ago. Main point I was making is that if you plough tax payers money into infrastructure, you either produce some useful return or at least have plans to do so. |
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Cobh is more like the north Dublin coastal towns.
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Cork local services on paper the least lost making per passenger carried of any service
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But we don't do joinedyuppy transport in Ireland... |
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06-04-2013, 08:19 | #14 | |
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Less than ten years ago the future of this line was in serious doubt, now it is booming. While Limerick/Ballybrophy doesn't have anything like the same population base the same principles apply - provide a decent relevant service and you do business. Not much point opening a supermarket with empty shelves, same applies to a railway offering little or nothing in terms of a relevant service. |
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