New FSO service Waterford - Dublin

Traincustomer · 14-09-2014, 19:00

I'm not sure whether the positioning journey to Carlow to commence the 06.30 Carlow - Heuston commuter (Mon-Fri) commences at Portlaoise or at Heuston. Either way consideration could be given to operating it in service.

Jamie2k9 · 15-09-2014, 11:09

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There still are several regular empty stock movements, regardless of the time of day its a free item basically and any revenue is extra

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I'm not sure whether the positioning journey to Carlow to commence the 06.30 Carlow - Heuston commuter (Mon-Fri) commences at Portlaoise or at Heuston. Either way consideration could be given to operating it in service.

There is a balance to be stuck. Using the Carlow example as above opening that to passenger service wouldn't justify the costs as Heuston station would not be open and it runs to a tight timetable so it would be non stop and stations along the route wouldn't be open either.

I fail to see the general justification for IE running the 16.00 on Saturdays regularly. They is no need to operate it and a quick roster change would save the 110 mile journey. Really simple and for all the brains in charge they should really of copped on to where the change could happen to save the cost of running it. I shouldn't have to point the exact change out! The capacity charge earlier in July are really only because the 13.05 takes large group booking twice a week (one being a Saturday) and it should be ending in the next few weeks and as the summer is coming to an end numbers will fall off slightly anyway.

ACustomer · 15-09-2014, 15:54

Jamie2k9: That's a bit negative! There is a large gap between the 1450 and the 1825 ex Waterford, and a fast 1600 service fills it nicely. If you provide good convenient services people will use them. My only gripe is that they don't do it 6 days a week. It takes time to build up custom, and it needs a bit of encouragement.

It not often I praise Irish Rail.

Jamie2k9 · 15-09-2014, 16:26

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Jamie2k9: That's a bit negative! There is a large gap between the 1450 and the 1825 ex Waterford, and a fast 1600 service fills it nicely. If you provide good convenient services people will use them. My only gripe is that they don't do it 6 days a week. It takes time to build up custom, and it needs a bit of encouragement.

It not often I praise Irish Rail.

It is good news and if there was demand for it all week it would operate. Remember the 16.50 wouldn't of being scrapped. It does very little for the gap as Carlow would carry the highest numbers and its the second departure within 40 minutes. Still a 2.5 hour gap.

If Limerick J could take a 4 coach then the 13.15 would most likely being a 4 coach on Saturday and on Fridays as quieter times of the year which is why IE only operate it as 3/6 as 4 coach unit has to be moved to the sidings after arrival in Limerick J.

With IE's financial position costs matter and running a empty Saturday service for the last 2 years is not acceptable when there is no need. Until January of this year the 17.35 ex Heuston was operated by a 3 coach unit and as a result of this the 07.10 on Monday had major problems for 3+ years. However since January they increased it to a 6 coach set to allow full capacity for the 07.10 on Monday. Now why don't they leave the spare 3 coaches from the 13.15 in Waterford and join the 3 coach from the 17.35 up for the 07.10 on Monday. Instead they are running 2 sets empty. Passenger numbers have not suddenly jumped by 200 on the 17.35 and even so they could probably get away with doing the same on the 16.40 either.

Its crazy decisions like this that is costing them big time.

berneyarms · 15-09-2014, 17:18

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Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

It is good news and if there was demand for it all week it would operate. Remember the 16.50 wouldn't of being scrapped. It does very little for the gap as Carlow would carry the highest numbers and its the second departure within 40 minutes. Still a 2.5 hour gap.

If Limerick J could take a 4 coach then the 13.15 would most likely being a 4 coach on Saturday and on Fridays as quieter times of the year which is why IE only operate it as 3/6 as 4 coach unit has to be moved to the sidings after arrival in Limerick J.

With IE's financial position costs matter and running a empty Saturday service for the last 2 years is not acceptable when there is no need. Until January of this year the 17.35 ex Heuston was operated by a 3 coach unit and as a result of this the 07.10 on Monday had major problems for 3+ years. However since January they increased it to a 6 coach set to allow full capacity for the 07.10 on Monday. Now why don't they leave the spare 3 coaches from the 13.15 in Waterford and join the 3 coach from the 17.35 up for the 07.10 on Monday. Instead they are running 2 sets empty. Passenger numbers have not suddenly jumped by 200 on the 17.35 and even so they could probably get away with doing the same on the 16.40 either.

Its crazy decisions like this that is costing them big time.

I would assume that the set is used on another service out of Heuston after 18:00 so perhaps it is not that crazy.

This particular service on Fridays and Saturdays of course should have been operated in service long before this.

Jamie2k9 · 15-09-2014, 18:04

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Originally Posted by berneyarms

I would assume that the set is used on another service out of Heuston after 18:00 so perhaps it is not that crazy.

This particular service on Fridays and Saturdays of course should have been operated in service long before this.

Fridays it must operate but they could easily have the spare 3 coaches restored for the 5.35 to make up for the service on Saturday evening so it is just wasting money.

Jamie2k9 · 17-09-2014, 09:48

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/new-aft...days-saturdays

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New afternoon service from Waterford to Dublin Heuston on Fridays & Saturdays

17 September 2014

An extra service will depart Waterford at 16:00hrs on Fridays & Saturdays only.

Iarnród Éireann has introduced an extra afternoon service from Waterford to Heuston on Fridays and Saturdays. The extra service will depart Waterford at 16:00hrs and arrive at Heuston at 17:50hrs on Fridays & Saturdays only.

This service has been introduced as a result of feedback from customers, particularly students attending Waterford and Carlow Institutes of Technology and those who may wish to travel to Dublin or Carlow for events at weekends. This change to the timetable has been approved by the National Transport Authority.

This service along with all regular services can be viewed through the journey planner above.

berneyarms · 17-09-2014, 10:02

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Originally Posted by Jamie2k9

Fridays it must operate but they could easily have the spare 3 coaches restored for the 5.35 to make up for the service on Saturday evening so it is just wasting money.

The second set on the 13:15 may have to go for scheduled maintenance after it completes the round trip to/from Waterford, which would mean that leaving it in Waterford may not be an option.

Unless you have an in-depth knowledge of the set rosters, you (nor I) can't make that judgement.

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14-09-2014, 19:00	#1
Traincustomer Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: ar an traein Posts: 602	I'm not sure whether the positioning journey to Carlow to commence the 06.30 Carlow - Heuston commuter (Mon-Fri) commences at Portlaoise or at Heuston. Either way consideration could be given to operating it in service.

15-09-2014, 15:54	#3
ACustomer Really Regular Poster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 767	Jamie2k9: That's a bit negative! There is a large gap between the 1450 and the 1825 ex Waterford, and a fast 1600 service fills it nicely. If you provide good convenient services people will use them. My only gripe is that they don't do it 6 days a week. It takes time to build up custom, and it needs a bit of encouragement. It not often I praise Irish Rail.