sitting on the platform no train

Colm Donoghue · 14-04-2006, 09:08

what is the story with Good Friday?
Last year I had to drive in cos there was no service at all.
This year there's only a saturday service.
So I was sitting in the freezing cold outside a locked waiting room for about half an hour.
did cie forget to tell the timetable printers to mention this?
why couldn't the drivers yesterday have mentioned this?
am I p1ssed off?
you betcha

James Shields · 14-04-2006, 10:25

I don't know what station you were waiting at, but all the stations with electronic information signs had the "Saturday service" message scrolling across for the last few days. I thinkl there are special Easter weekend timetables available too.

I agree it's not sufficient. I've met people who are simply unable to read those electronic signs - just can't seem to connect the dots to make letters. At the very least, a sign should have been posted in every station stating that Good Friday was Saturday timetable for at least a week. There should have been verbal announcements too, as visually impaired passengers would also be left out of the loop.

Colm Donoghue · 14-04-2006, 11:17

yeah it was pretty visible as i waited today for all the good it did.
pretty hard to find out the "saturday timetable with some modifications" from your local station when your local station is shut though.

These would be the electronic signs hidden by exit signs in pearse or not visible on curved platforms if you are at theother end of one.

Why are there reduced services anyhoo? its not a public holiday.
Why don't IE publish the changes in their timetable?
There was no mention of this on the IE website on Monday when I looked to check about the loop line bridge strike. ( well in the travel alerts section anyhoo)

Mark Gleeson · 14-04-2006, 11:42

Good friday is flagged in the timetable as a day where normal timetables may not apply

However there was no notice on the IE website and be honest this is the 21st century religous holidays do not imply days off

Graham · 14-04-2006, 23:13

Indeed. And there's nothing on their site for the entire Easter weekend either, not even in the 'events and alerts' section.
A farce in light of the 1916 Commemoration taking place on Easter Sunday, an event if ever there was one that encourages people to use public transport with half a million people descending on the capital.
No mention of special services being laid on either - they probably don't even know it's happening

philip · 15-04-2006, 12:03

The 90th anniversary? The relics in CIE (or should I say the GSR?) are still in Kingsbridge and Westland Row timetable mode, ie, they haven't even made it to 1966 yet, nevermind 2006! The Victorians did good engineering, CIE today does Victorian timetables.

Colm Donoghue · 18-04-2006, 08:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

Good friday is flagged in the timetable as a day where normal timetables may not apply

However there was no notice on the IE website and be honest this is the 21st century religous holidays do not imply days off

Good Friday is not flagged in the timetable I downloaded as anything.
Public holidays are flagged.
Is it reasonable to expect people to look at irish rails website see notravel alerts and look up the times for their trains anyway, *every*time they take the train?

Mark Gleeson · 18-04-2006, 09:46

There is a list of days in the printed timetable, it is there its the first thing I checked. The online printed timetables are not to be taken as the timetable

For easter it is not unreasonable to assume that there would be significant service changes, yes it should be clearly shown but there comes a point where you have to accept responsibilty to confirm times before you set off

As far as I can remember the exact same service operated last year

turnapin · 18-04-2006, 10:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Gleeson

The online printed timetables are not to be taken as the timetable

This has to be one of IE's finest moments.

Mark Gleeson · 18-04-2006, 10:30

Well it says

Quote:

Every care has been taken to ensure accuracy in the compilation of this timetable. It is recommended that this timetable is used in conjunction with the Journey Planner for planned disruptions.

Given you get that far you might as well use the journey planner anyway

Colm Donoghue · 19-04-2006, 11:12

Given under the travel alerts and general news there was no mention of any disruption to trains on Good Friday when I checked on Holy Monday and Good Friday, given thet the timetable down loaded is not to be taken as the timetable, given that there was no service on Good Friday last year, given that the platform displays lie about when trains will be going regularly,
Maybe I should ring CTC in Connolly before I travel, twice a day every day.
I suppose it is too much to expect a travel company to inform it's paying customers when it would be running a service. I mean it's only the 21st century and all. Sher I only pay 910 euros a year why would cie bother about me.

Thomas J Stamp · 19-04-2006, 12:13

There used to be a special Easter timetable flyer (I have one at home from last year or the year before) printed on a big fold up glossy A3 page which you could pick up at the stations. Didnt they issue one this year?

CSL · 24-04-2006, 17:09

Good Friday is not a public holiday. Easter Monday is, though.

Mark Gleeson · 24-04-2006, 18:02

Well here is the page in the timetable it clearly states the Good Friday won't be a normal day for train services

CSL · 25-04-2006, 09:52

Mark, I wasn't calling you a liar !

Public Holidays in Ireland are set by Dept. of Enterprise Trade and Employment

Here's the link http://www.entemp.ie/employment/rights/easter2006.htm

Note - GF is a normal working day !!!

Mark Gleeson · 25-04-2006, 10:02

I know its not a public holiday, there is a concept of caveat emptor let the buyer beware you cannot claim ignorance that things would be different on Good Friday while IE are lazy the onus is on you to confirm the times in advance expecially when it is well known that Good Friday and indeed any Friday before a bank holiday is likely to be different

Colm Donoghue · 25-04-2006, 10:52

Mark,
I checked two times during Holy Week on IE's website. There was no mention of changes to the schedule.
I looked at the timetable stuck on the outside of Rush and Lusk station. It too makes no mention of Good Friday, only public holidays. IE cannot evade responsibility here.
Should every commuter check the times for every train journey they make? (no)
Should every commuter check IE's website on special occasions? (yes)
Should every commuter check IE's routeplanner if there is no mention of changes to normal service on the front page of IE's website, it's not a public holiday and the timetable mentions different times on public holidays? ( this is the bit where we disagree )

I traveled at least twice on the early train from Arklow on a Good Friday and the 17.25 back to Arklow, and there was never an alteration to the service vs a normal week day.

There was no service at all on Good Friday 2005. This was well flagged as due to the DART works and the bridge installation over the M1 north of Dundalk.

Thomas J Stamp · 25-04-2006, 16:16

Looks like IE had some sort of special Easter Timetable Ok but they simply forgot to pubish it?

James Shields · 25-04-2006, 16:30

I saw Easter weekend timetables for the northern line (they had a red cover) in Drogheda station. I didn't pick one up as I wasn't planning to use the train over the weekend.

14-04-2006, 09:08	#1
Colm Donoghue Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 873	sitting on the platform no train what is the story with Good Friday? Last year I had to drive in cos there was no service at all. This year there's only a saturday service. So I was sitting in the freezing cold outside a locked waiting room for about half an hour. did cie forget to tell the timetable printers to mention this? why couldn't the drivers yesterday have mentioned this? am I p1ssed off? you betcha

14-04-2006, 11:42	#4
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	Good friday is flagged in the timetable as a day where normal timetables may not apply However there was no notice on the IE website and be honest this is the 21st century religous holidays do not imply days off Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 14-04-2006 at 11:45.

18-04-2006, 09:46	#8
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	There is a list of days in the printed timetable, it is there its the first thing I checked. The online printed timetables are not to be taken as the timetable For easter it is not unreasonable to assume that there would be significant service changes, yes it should be clearly shown but there comes a point where you have to accept responsibilty to confirm times before you set off As far as I can remember the exact same service operated last year Last edited by Mark Gleeson : 18-04-2006 at 09:52.

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14-04-2006, 10:25	#2
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	I don't know what station you were waiting at, but all the stations with electronic information signs had the "Saturday service" message scrolling across for the last few days. I thinkl there are special Easter weekend timetables available too. I agree it's not sufficient. I've met people who are simply unable to read those electronic signs - just can't seem to connect the dots to make letters. At the very least, a sign should have been posted in every station stating that Good Friday was Saturday timetable for at least a week. There should have been verbal announcements too, as visually impaired passengers would also be left out of the loop.

14-04-2006, 11:17	#3
Colm Donoghue Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 873	yeah it was pretty visible as i waited today for all the good it did. pretty hard to find out the "saturday timetable with some modifications" from your local station when your local station is shut though. These would be the electronic signs hidden by exit signs in pearse or not visible on curved platforms if you are at theother end of one. Why are there reduced services anyhoo? its not a public holiday. Why don't IE publish the changes in their timetable? There was no mention of this on the IE website on Monday when I looked to check about the loop line bridge strike. ( well in the travel alerts section anyhoo)

14-04-2006, 23:13	#5
Graham New to the board Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: crawling behind a DART Posts: 25	Indeed. And there's nothing on their site for the entire Easter weekend either, not even in the 'events and alerts' section. A farce in light of the 1916 Commemoration taking place on Easter Sunday, an event if ever there was one that encourages people to use public transport with half a million people descending on the capital. No mention of special services being laid on either - they probably don't even know it's happening

15-04-2006, 12:03	#6
philip Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 632	The 90th anniversary? The relics in CIE (or should I say the GSR?) are still in Kingsbridge and Westland Row timetable mode, ie, they haven't even made it to 1966 yet, nevermind 2006! The Victorians did good engineering, CIE today does Victorian timetables.

19-04-2006, 11:12	#11
Colm Donoghue Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 873	Given under the travel alerts and general news there was no mention of any disruption to trains on Good Friday when I checked on Holy Monday and Good Friday, given thet the timetable down loaded is not to be taken as the timetable, given that there was no service on Good Friday last year, given that the platform displays lie about when trains will be going regularly, Maybe I should ring CTC in Connolly before I travel, twice a day every day. I suppose it is too much to expect a travel company to inform it's paying customers when it would be running a service. I mean it's only the 21st century and all. Sher I only pay 910 euros a year why would cie bother about me.

19-04-2006, 12:13	#12
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	There used to be a special Easter timetable flyer (I have one at home from last year or the year before) printed on a big fold up glossy A3 page which you could pick up at the stations. Didnt they issue one this year?

24-04-2006, 17:09	#13
CSL Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 378	Good Friday is not a public holiday. Easter Monday is, though.

25-04-2006, 09:52	#15
CSL Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 378	Mark, I wasn't calling you a liar ! Public Holidays in Ireland are set by Dept. of Enterprise Trade and Employment Here's the link http://www.entemp.ie/employment/rights/easter2006.htm Note - GF is a normal working day !!!

25-04-2006, 10:02	#16
Mark Gleeson Technical Officer Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Coach C, Seat 33 Posts: 12,669	I know its not a public holiday, there is a concept of caveat emptor let the buyer beware you cannot claim ignorance that things would be different on Good Friday while IE are lazy the onus is on you to confirm the times in advance expecially when it is well known that Good Friday and indeed any Friday before a bank holiday is likely to be different

25-04-2006, 10:52	#17
Colm Donoghue Really Regular Poster Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 873	Mark, I checked two times during Holy Week on IE's website. There was no mention of changes to the schedule. I looked at the timetable stuck on the outside of Rush and Lusk station. It too makes no mention of Good Friday, only public holidays. IE cannot evade responsibility here. Should every commuter check the times for every train journey they make? (no) Should every commuter check IE's website on special occasions? (yes) Should every commuter check IE's routeplanner if there is no mention of changes to normal service on the front page of IE's website, it's not a public holiday and the timetable mentions different times on public holidays? ( this is the bit where we disagree ) I traveled at least twice on the early train from Arklow on a Good Friday and the 17.25 back to Arklow, and there was never an alteration to the service vs a normal week day. There was no service at all on Good Friday 2005. This was well flagged as due to the DART works and the bridge installation over the M1 north of Dundalk.

25-04-2006, 16:16	#18
Thomas J Stamp Chairman/Publicity Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: The Home of Hurling Posts: 2,708	Looks like IE had some sort of special Easter Timetable Ok but they simply forgot to pubish it?

25-04-2006, 16:30	#19
James Shields Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Drogheda, Ireland Posts: 1,275	I saw Easter weekend timetables for the northern line (they had a red cover) in Drogheda station. I didn't pick one up as I wasn't planning to use the train over the weekend.